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ryansergent

Kansas, USA

Hey Fellas,
Are any of you familiar with Matt Furey's system of body weight exercises? If so what do you think?

Ryan
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JJ McClinton

I have heard good things about Matt, never tried his system personally but some trainees I know have gotten good results. Just don't try the wrestlers bridge(?)move.
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ryansergent

Kansas, USA

Tyler Durdan wrote:
I have heard good things about Matt, never tried his system personally but some trainees I know have gotten good results. Just don't try the wrestlers bridge(?)move.


Tyler,
What's the matter with the Bridge?

Ryan
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simon-hecubus

Texas, USA

Wrestler's Bridge is very compressive on the neck. Without enough strength, you could do some real damage.

Our PE coach used to have us do those in middle school. I wonder if they still do that at schools anymore?

Scott
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st3

ryansergent wrote:
Hey Fellas,
Are any of you familiar with Matt Furey's system of body weight exercises? If so what do you think?

Ryan


Ryan,

I've got the book. If your a grappler it's a good book.
If you're trying to build muscle and stay healthy, it's not.

Steve

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SanSooMan

I know he is a fan of SanSoo/SCARS and a SCARS Master uses his body weight exercises. Doing a 100 "Hindu Squats", that's not going to be productive. I think Matt needs to read Ken H's Exercise vs. Recreation paper.
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karma50

Ryan,
Just do lots of bodyweight squats and hindu pushups. Lots and lots.
Griff
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catmanlou

It's a different style of training for sure but very demanding none the less.I tried to do as many hindu squats and pushups as my body could stand and I realized I am not in as good of shape as I thought!

I was told by a friend who was a navy seal that they perform the same pushup as Matt describes and he has alot of respect for that exercise(hindu pushups.
catmanlou
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ryansergent

Kansas, USA

I think they might be good to do while "on the road" and away from a gym or for a two wk mini cycle to shake things up a bit. How could it hurt?

Ryan
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RUGGED_INTELLECT

You been reading SOF by any chance Ryan?
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KogaRyu Ninjutsu

Florida, USA

ryansergent wrote:
I think they might be good to do while "on the road" and away from a gym or for a two wk mini cycle to shake things up a bit. How could it hurt?

Ryan



I would recommend "Pushing Yourself to Power" by John Peterson. It is about half the price of Furey's "Combat Conditioning",contains much better pictures and details of the "Royal Court" (Hindu Squats, Hindu Pushups, Bridge), and has about 50 other exercises.

Also by Peterson is "The Miracle Seven" Which is about 10 bucks on Amazon and also shows "Royal Court" plus tons of other body weight exercises, perfect for traveling.
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gizmo


I would recommend "Pushing Yourself to Power" by John Peterson. It is about half the price of Furey's "Combat Conditioning",contains much better pictures and details of the "Royal Court" (Hindu Squats, Hindu Pushups, Bridge), and has about 50 other exercises.

Also by Peterson is "The Miracle Seven" Which is about 10 bucks on Amazon and also shows "Royal Court" plus tons of other body weight exercises, perfect for traveling.


What do you think of Peterson's DVR (Dynamic Visualized Resistance) type of training where you tense or flex your muscles while contracting (no weights).

For instance for your arms you tense the biceps and do curls (no weights). Some mimic weight training movements by just pushing, pulling, curling...etc with no weights. The idea is to visualize in your mind and make your body think you are moving heavy weights.

They claim you can build just as good as a phsique as with weights but safer. Peterson also advocates DSR (Dynamic Self Resistance) where, for instance, you curl with arm while resisting with the other. They even have a guy who advocates HIT training with these exercises.

Peterson also advocates lots of high rep pushups, pull ups and BW squats.
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KogaRyu Ninjutsu

Florida, USA

gizmo wrote:

I would recommend "Pushing Yourself to Power" by John Peterson. It is about half the price of Furey's "Combat Conditioning",contains much better pictures and details of the "Royal Court" (Hindu Squats, Hindu Pushups, Bridge), and has about 50 other exercises.

Also by Peterson is "The Miracle Seven" Which is about 10 bucks on Amazon and also shows "Royal Court" plus tons of other body weight exercises, perfect for traveling.


What do you think of Peterson's DVR (Dynamic Visualized Resistance) type of training where you tense or flex your muscles while contracting (no weights).

For instance for your arms you tense the biceps and do curls (no weights). Some mimic weight training movements by just pushing, pulling, curling...etc with no weights. The idea is to visualize in your mind and make your body think you are moving heavy weights.

They claim you can build just as good as a phsique as with weights but safer. Peterson also advocates DSR (Dynamic Self Resistance) where, for instance, you curl with arm while resisting with the other. They even have a guy who advocates HIT training with these exercises.

Peterson also advocates lots of high rep pushups, pull ups and BW squats.


John Peterson got Dynamic Visual Resistance (DVR) from the late martial artist John McSweeney who called them Tiger Moves. McSweeney got the Tiger Moves from some ancient martial arts forms (Kata) like Sanchin or "Iron Wire" of Hung Gar Kung Fu. While DVR does not put on muscle as efficently as HIT weight training it does give you a viable and interesting alternative to be used in conjunction to HIT. Perfect for travel or change of pace. You can control the amount of tension during the exercise.

I used one set of 15 reps on the 7 "Tiger Moves"/DVR (Along with Hindu Squats and Hindu Pushups)for a month following Hurricane Wilma where my gym was closed for the time. I got leaner and increased reps when I got back to HIT. I did not do Dynamic Self Resistance because I wanted to really experiment with the DVR. I also did this kind of experiment many years ago when bodybuilder/martial artist, Mike Dayton published it in his book, "Chi Mind Control".

Dynamic Self Resistance is much more like regular resistance training. I choose to use the most efficient so I use Hammer, Nautilus and free weights. If I have to take a lay off again I will use the DVRs and Hindu Squats/Pushups again.

Peterson also discusses isometrics and has 2 books coming out dedicated exclusively to isometrics. Peter Sisco's expensive "Static Contraction" machines are just isometrics with a tension meter. I believe that isometrics or static holds are good in conjunction with weight training. I tried both "Static Contraction Training" and John Little's "Max Contraction Training" exclusively and gained fat and lost muscle. In John Little's new e-book he upped his static hold times from 1-5 seconds to 45 seconds.

Sorry I went a little off topic but I felt it fit in with the John Peterson question.

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SanSooMan

I tell you, as an expert in San Soo Kung Fu, which is the most advanced and brutal fighting system ever made, martial artists have no understanding of exercise. And they have no grounds for publishing books about it. They, (Matt) need to stick with what they do know and not waste people's time and money on innane crap like low intensity body weight "exercises".

You wouldn't ask Ken Hutchins how to kick butt, (maybe Arthur J.) so don't ask Matt F. how to build muscle. By-the-way, Jimmy Woo, who brought San Soo from China was a fan of lifting weights, and knew the value of muscle in combat. But, that still didn't make him an expert in exercise.
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RUGGED_INTELLECT

SanSooMan wrote:
I tell you, as an expert in San Soo Kung Fu, which is the most advanced and brutal fighting system ever made...


I'm sure every other fighting discipline would disagree with you here(not that you're not an expert, but that San Soo is king), but point well taken in the rest of the post.

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SanSooMan

RUGGED_INTELLECT wrote:
SanSooMan wrote:
I tell you, as an expert in San Soo Kung Fu, which is the most advanced and brutal fighting system ever made...

I'm sure every other fighting discipline would disagree with you here(not that you're not an expert, but that San Soo is king), but point well taken in the rest of the post


You dare question master, must choose chopstick and fight me to death!
Ki Ai!
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ryansergent

Kansas, USA

RUGGED_INTELLECT wrote:
You been reading SOF by any chance Ryan?


Rugged I love that magazine. do they got an article on Matt Furey?

Ryan
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RUGGED_INTELLECT

Furey advertises in there pretty heavily, although I've never seen an article specifically, although some of the ads for the self-defense course/products would qualify as articles in their lengths.

I just thought seeing as you're Marine and into Furey, that quite possibly you were also a reader of SOF.

It's lesser now without Hack.
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buddy_46268

I remember a thread being posted here some time ago about Matt Furey and bodyweight exercises. Dr. Darden stated that once you're able to perform exercises that utilize your bodyweight, then you'll have to find a way to make them progressively harder.

I personally find that it's much easier to use weights to gain the strength you need.
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HamsFitness

just a quick question with regards to bodyweight exercises -

how many of you can do a handstand push up? if so how many?

how many one arm push ups can you guys do?

how about (dare i say)full range jump squats?

All of the above are dam hard exercises that deserve a place in a well rounded fitness program
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RUGGED_INTELLECT

Wouldn't being good at those exercises rely more on being skinny and skilled at the movement than having had, or developing muscular bulk from those exercises?
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simon-hecubus

Texas, USA

Jump Squats?! Wiz, c'mon man. With the wrong form, people can do plenty of damage squatting without their feet ever leaving the ground.

Why don't you just recommend swiss ball squats? Wait a minute, that wasn't you in the picture was it?

Scott
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manzo

I have read on an MMA forum that although Matt Fureys products may be good, he is a conman, liar, joke, fraud etc. But they use his exercises more for conditioning than anything else (strength,size).


Not knocking BW exercises, just letting people know incase someone is going to buy his stuff, which from what i remember is very expensive.
I think he claimed that it would cost you much more if you were to travel the world like he did to discover this stuff.
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HamsFitness

RUGGED_INTELLECT wrote:
Wouldn't being good at those exercises rely more on being skinny and skilled at the movement than having had, or developing muscular bulk from those exercises?


maybe but wouldnt having the strength to shoulder handset mean you could military press a pretty dam impressive weight?

If some said to me they could standing press 100k then i would assume they were dam strong and pretty big too

i would go so far to say that handstand presses are probably more effective than standing presses and in my opinion safer too.
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HamsFitness

simon-hecubus wrote:
Jump Squats?! Wiz, c'mon man. With the wrong form, people can do plenty of damage squatting without their feet ever leaving the ground.

Why don't you just recommend swiss ball squats? Wait a minute, that wasn't you in the picture was it?

Scott


people can do plenty of damage in their sleep - hell are we not supposed to sleep coz we may do it wrong so now we wont do it even though we benefit from it?!? the injury cop out is used far too often - injuries happen all over the place but we dont stop doing stuff - oh shit i may die crossing the road so i best stop it now even though I could benefit from it.

You are fit for what you do - if you only want to be fit for squatting slowly then go for it but I would rather say that i can actually carry out a move as simle as jumping!?!?

just my view - HIT 20 min routines are great but only as an addition to a well rounded fitness regime.

Doing one type of exercise is no good for anyone unless that is all you want to be good at.
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