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I know after the 1980 Mr.Olympia Mike competed one other time in canada. What did he do from 1980 to 1993. How did he make a living? Could someone fill in the gaps for me. Any information is helpful.
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RUGGED_INTELLECT

Anything significant about the year 1993?

I know Mike always had his own PT business in LA and a mail order business, seminars etc. He was editor of a short run bodybuilding mag I can't remember the name of. He may also have been back over at Nautilus for a short time after the '80. He went through some tough times after the '80 O, probably due to a realization that the thing he had been doing for the entirety of his life wasn't objective and predictable, but just politics and a popularity contest.

Much to his credit he never let it beat him and got things back together with his PT, mail order and seminar business sometime around the late 80's and early 90's until his untimely death in 2001, along with his brother Ray. RAy by the way ran a gym out of Sydney, Australia until he was diagnosed with Berger's disease which forced him back state side where he ran a successful MedX rehab clinic.

Maybe I can dig up the name of the mag, or someone else knows it plus the year he was running it.
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Why 1993? I believe by that time he started gaining in popularity again.
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One more question. I recall a add in a mag that advertised what looked like Mike's own line of supplements. Mike always questioned the need for supplements, so why did he have his own line for a short time. What happend to them? I may be wrong.
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RUGGED_INTELLECT

I believe there were some supplements, but they were as short lived as the magazine he edited.

I don't remember reading anywhere that Mike was against supps, just that they weren't the causal factor in growth. I think he used the analogy of someone being really into tanning lotions and exposing themselves to the light of moon and being clueless as to why they didn't tan. Same here, some people think it's all about diet or supps or drugs, but if you don't put in what's necessary at the gym, you'll get nowhere. I think that was closer to his opinion on supps.
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Ellington Darden

Mentzer's magazine was called "Workout for Fitness" and the first issue was December 1984. I wrote a series of Nautilus/HIT articles for it, but it went under after 9 issues.

Ellington
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Felix74

RUGGED_INTELLECT wrote:
I don't remember reading anywhere that Mike was against supps, just that they weren't the causal factor in growth.


I remember that Mentzer wrote in one of his Heavy Duty books about the calorie and protein need to build muscle. It was written like this:

A natural guy can build up to 6 pounds muscle, a muscle is made to 80 % of water, the rest is protein. 6 pounds muscle is 0.016 pounds a day. In order to grow 0.016 pounds muscle a day it ain?t neccesary to eat a lot of extra protein or a lot of extra calories.

A bite in an apple was sufficient in Mentzers view to build muscle.

Why he was selling supplements??? In order to earn some money?

Money doesn?t have a bad taste and it doesn?t smell, so who cares, where it is comming from... (is it possible to say this in english???)

Regards,

Felix

Sorry for the english...
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AShortt

Ontario, CAN

I know when Mentzer was still writing for Muscular Development, he went out of his way to praise creatine. He made a point of saying he never really thought much of most supplements but was impressed by creatine.

Regards,
Andrew
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NickMunro

I think it was John Little who wrote in the introduction to HIT:Mike Mentzer Way, that Mike had refused to "go just to get along" with the supplement companies, and this created the idea that Mentzer never advocated/supported supplements.

I have the 1980 Muscle and Fitness Olympia edition, and there is an advert in it for Weiders "Olympian" range of supplements. There is a headshot of mentzer, making an "o" with his thumb and forefinger, with this quote "Incredible gains!" beneath. So he definitely did endorse supplements at some point - whether he changed his mind later or whatever.

And i think I read that Mentzer was also the editor of Muscle and Fitness at some point, although I dont know if that is true or not.

regards
Nick
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noone

New York, USA

Have you guys heard the audio tapes? He praised Twinlabs supplements.

Bret
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simon-hecubus

Texas, USA

BretC wrote:
Have you guys heard the audio tapes? He praised Twinlabs supplements.

Bret


TwinLabs was heavily advertised in Muscular Development when it revamped back in the 90s.

There was some advertising in that mag back then, but they made at least an effort to set themselves apart from the Weider Maximum Cash Principle and the Weider Maximum Sets That Only Steroid Freaks Can Handle Principle.

If you pick up MD now, it's just as bad as all the rest.

Scott

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RUGGED_INTELLECT

I think in the audios he praises the creatine and the MRP from Twinlab, which is fair enough, they're valid supplements. Remembering that Twinlab is the same company as Muscular Development and that Mike was under the employ of this magazine for a time and they also produced those audio tapes.
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simon-hecubus

Texas, USA

RUGGED_INTELLECT wrote:
... Remembering that Twinlab is the same company as Muscular Development and that Mike was under the employ of this magazine for a time and they also produced those audio tapes.


Oh so! Yes, it's all coming back to me now.

At that time, Mike was just coming back into the limelight after a lengthy absence.

I for one won't fault him too much for needing to jump-start his finances.

Scott
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simon-hecubus

Texas, USA

Speaking of shameless hucksters (JW not MM), I see that asshead supreme Jeff Everson has his own mag out now.

Instead of being a Weider tool, I guess he wanted to report directly to the supplement companies themselves.

Scott
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RUGGED_INTELLECT

simon-hecubus wrote:
RUGGED_INTELLECT wrote:
... Remembering that Twinlab is the same company as Muscular Development and that Mike was under the employ of this magazine for a time and they also produced those audio tapes.

Oh so! Yes, it's all coming back to me now.

At that time, Mike was just coming back into the limelight after a lengthy absence and the various shenanigans the magpies like to flap their jaws about.

I for one won't fault him too much for needing to jump-start his finances.

Scott


Not sure if you're being sarcastic there Scott, but I truly believe that Mike supported the use of creatine and MRP's, and his employ with MD and Twinlab was the reason he was endorsing them as opposed to any other brand.

If you were being sarcastic you should know it's way off base, because I emulate Mike. The guy went through a lot of bad times but didn't let it beat him and became successful again. His employ with MD was I think sometime after he re-emerged in the late 80's/early 90's, remembering his assosiation with Dorian Yates when he began winning the O in '92 or '93. I couldn't be sure but I think his work with MD was middle to late 90's, with the audio tapes being marked '97.
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Cherry

Mentzer is THE MAN!! No one else even comes close!! Judge for yourself!

MENTZER!!!!!!! RULZ!

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ZEZ

Since where talking about MM, has anyone purchased and seen the additional 22 minutes of the 80 O that were found recently?
www.gmv.com.au/default.asp? pageid= NEWSARICLES&template=NEWS&nid=128&cnid=1&site=1
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simon-hecubus

Texas, USA

RUGGED_INTELLECT wrote:
Not sure if you're being sarcastic there Scott, but I truly believe that Mike supported the use of creatine and MRP's, and his employ with MD and Twinlab was the reason he was endorsing them as opposed to any other brand.

If you were being sarcastic you should know it's way off base, because I emulate Mike. The guy went through a lot of bad times but didn't let it beat him and became successful again...

I believe he even talks about creatine in HDII, doesn't he?

The only sarcasm was directed towards what MD has become after what looked like a promising re-vamp.

I've said it before: With all due respect to AJ and Dr. D, we might not be chatting right now if it weren't for the vocal efforts of MM.

I started reading about HD in about 1979, and it definitely planted a seed in my brain. I never strayed too far from the basic principles.

As a recovering alcoholic, I have a great deal of respect for Mike and how he came back from his dark days.

Regards,
Scott
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RUGGED_INTELLECT

ZEZ wrote:
Since where talking about MM, has anyone purchased and seen the additional 22 minutes of the 80 O that were found recently?
www.gmv.com.au/default.asp? pageid= NEWSARICLES&template=NEWS&nid=128&cnid=1&site=1


Yes indeed. There's some justice in that 22 minutes, when Boyer doesn't even show for his trophy and Mike can be seen to mouth the words(I'm sure they were audible on the stage) "this is bullshit!", or something to that effect. I think Frank Zane was said to have smashed his trophy in parking lot, but don't quote me on that.

Recently I got a copy of Mike posing some weeks after the '80 O with the band Nantucket who were opening for a US ACDC tour at the time. They perform "It's a long way to the top" while Mike moves amongst them posing. Really something to behold for the Mentzer fans.

Yes, MD did go "All Natural" for a while whence Mike was there, but unfortuantely it didn't last.
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I believe I saw those ad's in the late 90's. I wasn't calling Mike a huckster, just inquiring. Mike is a hero in my eyes.
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noone

New York, USA

simon-hecubus wrote:
Speaking of shameless hucksters (JW not MM), I see that asshead supreme Jeff Everson has his own mag out now.

Scott


Planet muscle right? He used to give that mag away for free for years. I would pick it up from time to time. Most of it was supplement adds.

Bret
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simon-hecubus

Texas, USA

BretC wrote:
Planet muscle right? He used to give that mag away for free for years. I would pick it up from time to time. Most of it was supplement adds.

Bret


I think that was it. Maybe I've seen it before, but I don't remember the part about it being "Jeff Everson's..." right there on the cover, as I noticed the other day.

I don't care how money he's making, whatever he did to lose Cory makes him one of the world's biggest dumbshits.
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hdlifter

Ray was hiding in Australia in the early 80's to avoid a hit on him. I don't know all the details but I heard he and his training partner Benny Podda upset the wrong people.

As for Zane smashing his trophy, it's true. I know people who were present and saw it.

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NickMunro


As for Zane smashing his trophy, it's true. I know people who were present and saw it.



This is mentioned in M&F Olympia 80 edition. Apparently Zane accepted the trophy calmly on stage, but later smashed it.

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I was over at another website and saw a article on vince gironda. Half way through it, the author decides to rip into Mentzer. He has the balls to pass his own opinions and hate, while claiming that Vince would have given Mike the same "constructive advise". The author had a long list of issues with Mike's body. Of all the bodybuilders over the years he has to rip into Mike and for no reason at all. I find it astonishing that a moment does not go by were someone let's Mike have it.
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