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Michael Petrella

Ontario, CAN

Just had a quick question about a couple of machine.

1.I have seen the Med-x cervicle machine many times but I have never seen anyone use one. I just want to know what is the motion on the machine. I've seen the Med-x rotary neck and lumbar in action but never the cervicle.

2. Why does Med-x no longer make the rotary neck or quad machine that measures output?

3. Could someone please explain proper execution of the Nautilus Duo-Squat.

Thanks for any help.

Michael
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seanoz

Big Mike,

I can help with Duo Squat.

Basically you need to time the cam and that is the real key.

Because the Duo Squat has independant movement arms, then you are not cranked in to the machine before beginning.

You have the seat right when the chain around the cam is unwound and your legs are almost about to lockout. BUT the DON'T or can't lockout.

So start by slowly pushing both legs out and get the seat in the position that allows this. There is a stopper on the back of each movement arm also if I remember correctly.

Then bring back one leg, (I always note which leg I start with) and rep out each leg by alternating one leg at a time. Because one is statically under heavy load then it is hardly resting, so it is a good technique, but inroad is different to say the least.

I am not sure if 12 reps per leg is now considered ideal, I used to do 12 reps to failure (2/4) before increments, for each leg and got up to a respectable 370lbs after about 8months training, I started on 240lbs. But that is often more than 3minutes total TUL and is pretty gruelling, when you fail on one leg you just bend the other and lock the failed leg out to fail the other, (you understand??), it is usually pretty accurate if you switch the starting leg from workout to workout.

The "Duo" in the name duo squat is not just because it is independant, the "Duo" comes fromt the Nautilus created term Duo-Symmetrical-Poly-Contractile. Which also went for the Duo Hip&Back

Anyone know the definition of that?

I do, and I will post it to Ell as a PM and he can quote it and what is right or wrong about it as a follow up to your answers.

Also there was a bar on the machine that allowed for some variations on Duo-Poly movements anyone want to discuss those? ANd their names?

Sean.
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noone

New York, USA

The "Nautilus Advanced Bodybuilding book" has 3 chapters on the duo squat. Also, If I remember correctly, the last "Nautilus Bodybuilding book" has a few chapters on it as well.

Bret
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logicbdj

Ontario, CAN

Certain testing machines are not manufactured by MedX because of a software issue. Originally, in the 1980s and early 1990s, the software was its own program.

However, eventually, users in clinics wanted a Window's based software program so that they could link the patient's database information to billing programs, etc.

This opened a huge can of worms for re-developing (and investing the money and time) in doing so. Consequently, there has been delay in getting new machines out in the marketplace.
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robinn3403

seanoz wrote:
Big Mike,

I can help with Duo Squat.

Basically you need to time the cam and that is the real key.

Because the Duo Squat has independant movement arms, then you are not cranked in to the machine before beginning.

You have the seat right when the chain around the cam is unwound and your legs are almost about to lockout. BUT the DON'T or can't lockout.

So start by slowly pushing both legs out and get the seat in the position that allows this. There is a stopper on the back of each movement arm also if I remember correctly.

Then bring back one leg, (I always note which leg I start with) and rep out each leg by alternating one leg at a time. Because one is statically under heavy load then it is hardly resting, so it is a good technique, but inroad is different to say the least.

I am not sure if 12 reps per leg is now considered ideal, I used to do 12 reps to failure (2/4) before increments, for each leg and got up to a respectable 370lbs after about 8months training, I started on 240lbs. But that is often more than 3minutes total TUL and is pretty gruelling, when you fail on one leg you just bend the other and lock the failed leg out to fail the other, (you understand??), it is usually pretty accurate if you switch the starting leg from workout to workout.

The "Duo" in the name duo squat is not just because it is independant, the "Duo" comes fromt the Nautilus created term Duo-Symmetrical-Poly-Contractile. Which also went for the Duo Hip&Back

Anyone know the definition of that?

I do, and I will post it to Ell as a PM and he can quote it and what is right or wrong about it as a follow up to your answers.

Also there was a bar on the machine that allowed for some variations on Duo-Poly movements anyone want to discuss those? ANd their names?

Sean.


Akinetic/Infimetric
and WOW! will it light you up immediatly after a set.
Medx needs to manufacture their machines with this feature to be sure.
Rob
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Michael Petrella

Ontario, CAN

Is the cervicle spine machine much like a 4-way neck machine??
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Michael Petrella

Ontario, CAN

thanks for the great reply's. I take delivery of my duo-squat machine tommorow morning. I can't wait.

Michael
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Michael Petrella

Ontario, CAN

I just got on the duo-squat, this may be due to my long legs but it seems to have a decreased range of motion.

I set it up so the cam is unwound with my legs exstended right before lockout.
However when I bring one leg back it comes nowhere near coming to my chest, which is the case on a 45 degress leg press.
But my calfs and hamstrings make an angle that is below 90 degress for sure, probably below 45 degrees. Is this proper execution of the machine? I figure because you are almost lying right down and not on much of an angle it makes sense to look more at the angle the legs make then in bringing your knees to your chest.
Any response would be great as I want to use the machine tonight.
Thanks
Michael
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Ellington Darden

Michael,

It sounds to me like you have a duo leg press machine, and not a duo squat machine. Describe the angle of the seat back?

Ellington
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Michael Petrella

Ontario, CAN

The angle of the seat couldn't be anymore than 30 degrees. And I know it is a duo-squat. It has a plastic guard right on the front of the machine that says duo-squat. I even lucked out and got the one with the 510lbs weight stack. Most I had found to purchase previous were only 405. I bought it for $100. The steal of the century in my opinion.
I was looking at pictues of boyer cole on the duo-squat machine from the Nautilus advanced bodybuilding book. his hamstrings touch his calfs when he brings the movement arms back. I move the cradle close enough to the movement arms to accomplish this but when I push out, the cams can't unwind anymore and the movement arm wont go out any farther and this pervents me from getting close to having a leg just short of lockout.
Im 6"4 with long legs even for my height if that makes a differences.
Any help is great.
I will also soon be posting pictues of my home nautilus gym I've made, I think most HIT trainers will be proud of what i've managed to get into a basement.

Thanks
Michael
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Ciccio

bigmikep wrote:
The angle of the seat couldn't be anymore than 30 degrees. And I know it is a duo-squat. It has a plastic guard right on the front of the machine that says duo-squat. I even lucked out and got the one with the 510lbs weight stack. Most I had found to purchase previous were only 405. I bought it for $100. The steal of the century in my opinion.
I was looking at pictues of boyer cole on the duo-squat machine from the Nautilus advanced bodybuilding book. his hamstrings touch his calfs when he brings the movement arms back. I move the cradle close enough to the movement arms to accomplish this but when I push out, the cams can't unwind anymore and the movement arm wont go out any farther and this pervents me from getting close to having a leg just short of lockout.
Im 6"4 with long legs even for my height if that makes a differences.
Any help is great.
I will also soon be posting pictues of my home nautilus gym I've made, I think most HIT trainers will be proud of what i've managed to get into a basement.

Thanks
Michael


Hey Mike,

I don't know about the duo-squat but I'm 6'4" too (even I don't have over-proportional legs) and think it may be very well that you are too tall.
With our height we're already out of the "normal" range which designers take into account for all types of anatomical-related things, may it be car(especially older ones or sports cars) or airplane seats (I fly a lot and man, it really sucks when you sit in the economy class with your knees pressing in the seat in front and you can't even lean your head back without over-extending your throat because the backrest is too low!) or as in your case exercise equipment.
But I'm sure you made this experience already...
Anyway, good luck!

Franco



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hit4all

Sweden

bigmikep

Does the machine you own look like the one on the picture? This is a Duo-Squat machine (found on Ebay).
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kurtvf

Sorry to get off the serious topic but I can't help but to ask: What the heck are those cylinder shaped naugahyde covered things on the lever arms? Everytime I see a picture of one of these machines I try to figure this out but after twenty years or so I give up.
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Michael Petrella

Ontario, CAN

Hello hit4all, this is the exact picture of the machine I purchased. I got it from California and Im in Ontario Canada. I almost purchased the machine in the picture you got off e-bay but they wanted $850 and it was only the 400lb stack version.

Hello Kurt
the pads on the movement arms just cover the very heavy counter weights. each weight feels like it is 50-60lbs and the pads just protect you from possibly smacking your head on them as you enter the machine.

Michael
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Michael Petrella

Ontario, CAN

Thanks for the post Franco, I have indeed found that same problems with being 6'4. I work at a car dealership and sometimes you have to road test customers vehicles. If the vehicle is a sports car you just know before you even attempt to get in, its going to be a pain.
Anyways back to Nautilus questions. I have done a workout on the duo-squat now and I found that when I bring one leg back I am able to exstend the other leg that is holding the weight a little bit farther thus giving more slack on the chain and allowing a fuller range of motion.
However this little movement to all more ROM is happening with no movement to the weight stack, (it is resting).

Im wandering if anyone else over 6" has used a duo-squat and has experieced this problem. Is there a solution or is it just the design. I've trained 2 other friends on this machine, they are 6'1 and 6'2 and they had the same problem but to a lesser degree.
Any help would be great.

Thanks
Michael
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tomreitzpr

Puerto Rico

For the Duo-Squat, there are two long bolts (in the crossbar behind the movement arms) that allow you to set the depth of the motion forward. Be sure that these are set for when the cam is unwound. I have seen a couple of machines were these had gotten moved and it threw off the timing/alignment to the cam. The large naughahyde "things" on the movement arms are the counterbalance for the movement arm itself.

Hope this helps.
Tom
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Michael Petrella

Ontario, CAN

I adjusted the bolts so they were as far in as possible trying to increase the ROM. The problem is the chains connected from the negative cams to the movement arms is fully unwound. I moved the seat as far forward as I could that still allowed me to exstend my legs. I could just put the bolts farther down so they could touch the movement arms but that wouldn't solve my problem.

Michael
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Ciccio

Yeah mike, I feel with you on all this.
My boss has a maserati and everytime I drive with him and thereafter need minutes to unwind myself out of it I'm happy to drive an Off-roader myself:)

Franco
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