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jagust

Dr. Darden,
A few years ago, I used the Flat Stomach ASAP book to get in the best shape of my life.
I am at a point where I would like to try something similar. Both copies of the book were "borrowed" some time ago, and I suspect that many of the meals from the book are now off the market.

Have you written anything comparable including products that would be available today?

Thanks,
JAG
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Ellington Darden

You should be able to get a used copy of ASAP on Amazon and other such Web sites. Also, see the article on this Web page titled, Florida Dreamin'.

Ellington
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mufasta

You should be able to get a used copy of ASAP on Amazon and other such Web sites


I gotta give you a big thumbs up for recommending a used copy even though you get nothing from it (except being the reason he gets down to where he wants to be).
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noone

New York, USA

I have the "Ellington Darden Reference Library" :-) thanks to EBAY and half.com

Bret
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marcrph

Portugal

An updated Flat Stomach ASAP would have to include a new training plan.....perhaps 30/30/30....and perhaps 1x weekly workout.

A modern "Perfect Score" shake mix that keeps blood sugar in "metabolic equilibrium" would be necessary also. That drink would have to include CLA, whey protein isolates, and potato protein extract. Not to mention, the new "Perfect Score" would have to include proper fiber for physical feelings of stomach fullness that fight hunger cravings.
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perrymk

http://www.amazon.com/...lat+stmach+asap

On Amazon prices start at a penny. That's $4 including shipping.
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backtrack

Why potato extract?
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marcrph

Portugal

Dan_The_man wrote:
Why potato extract?


Potato protein extract promotes the release of cholecystokinin (CCK) - a hormone located in the intestines that tells your brain to turn off hunger cravings by inducing feelings of fullness and satisfaction.

No brainer.....just like....CLA.

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marcrph

Portugal

Potato protein extract.


http://www.naturalnews.com/...to_protein.html
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marcrph

Portugal

Whey protein isolates improve satiety

http://www.foodnavigator-usa.c...
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Hitit

marcrph wrote:
Whey protein isolates improves satiety

http://www.foodnavigator-usa.c...

You always have references to food/nutrition/supplements to enhance training.

How to you keep up with this? And do you really believe it makes that much of a difference to focus so much time/energy (by appearance) to keep up and use all this which you refer to in so many of your posts?

Why?

It would drive me crazy to follow so much. There are a million products/theories/elements out there that make numerous claims.

Why not just follow a good balanced diet?
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backtrack

Real potato doesn't do the same job?
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marcrph

Portugal

Dan_The_man wrote:
Real potato doesn't do the same job?


No

Since Dr. Darden did such a FINE JOB writing that book, many advancements in meal replacements have been produced. Why not take advantage of them.

Everyday I see obese people needing a sure fire cure. A simple basic exercise (HIT) program, and a proper diet seem salient features. This is the only way women will ever be attracted to HIT.

WHY NOT......get hordes of women....to join HIT......with an updated Flat Stomach...ASAP?
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Hitit

Dan_The_man wrote:
Real potato doesn't do the same job?


Someone will argue that it's more concentrated in a supplement form and with the right combo of other added ingredients in that help absorption and enhancements of nutrients.
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marcrph

Portugal

Hitit wrote:
Dan_The_man wrote:
Real potato doesn't do the same job?

Someone will argue that it's more concentrated in a supplement form and with the right combo of other added ingredients in that help absorption and enhancements of nutrients.


Pharmacy techniques have been isolating, purifying, and concentrating certain ingredients for years....this is a smart strategy. Furthermore, inquiring minds are constantly discovering more products, much like potato protein extract.

Other industries have done likewise.
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marcrph

Portugal

No More!
Muffin Tops!

We need an updated Flat Stomach ASAP!
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marcrph

Portugal


Hitit wrote:
You always have references to food/nutrition/supplements to enhance training.

How to you keep up with this?



I'm interested in this area, as I am an active pharmacist. Of course I have to keep up with over the counter nutritional aids. I also have many hundreds of pharmacists to educate about such products as these, which is part of my job duties.



And do you really believe it makes that much of a difference to focus so much time/energy (by appearance) to keep up and use all this which you refer to in so many of your posts?


Yes



Why?

My posts are self-explanatory.



It would drive me crazy to follow so much. There are a million products/theories/elements out there that make numerous claims.

Why not just follow a good balanced diet?


I do follow a GOOD balanced diet.
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Hitit

marcrph wrote:

Hitit wrote:
You always have references to food/nutrition/supplements to enhance training.

How to you keep up with this?


I'm interested in this area, as I am an active pharmacist. Of course I have to keep up with over the counter nutritional aids. I also have many hundreds of pharmacists to educate about such products as these, which is part of my job duties.



And do you really believe it makes that much of a difference to focus so much time/energy (by appearance) to keep up and use all this which you refer to in so many of your posts?

Yes



Why?
My posts are self-explanatory.



It would drive me crazy to follow so much. There are a million products/theories/elements out there that make numerous claims.

Why not just follow a good balanced diet?

I do follow a GOOD balanced diet.


Judging by your responses it seems you took what I was saying as something a bit personally criticizing. And now you sound like a blow hard....

I'll keep this short, but I find those who are over obsessive with supplements and nutritional aids (which I actually do believe and follow to a limit) are also excessively neurotic and have serious anxiety issues and focus on their health. Their focus seems often exaggeratedly misplaced to compensate for that more so than a healthy diet,mental attitude and lifestyle.

Rest easy my friend.
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marcrph

Portugal

Hitit wrote:
Judging by your responses it seems you took what I was saying as something a bit personally criticizing.



Not at all. I thought you were simply inquiring.



And now you sound like a blow hard....



Now you're trying to be rude. Is there not enough of that on this board? You seem like a nice guy. There is no need for name calling. I did not insult you, did I? I want no part of this back and forth rudeness on this board. I'm here for an exchange of ideas on high intensity training. Game?



I'll keep this short, but I find those who are over obsessive with supplements and nutritional aids (which I actually do believe and follow to a limit) are also excessively neurotic and have serious anxiety issues and focus on their health.



I do not like to categorize people. People are individuals. Do you like to be put in a certain category? That does not feel so good, does it? On the other hand, I have met some who on the surface seem excessively concerned about their health. I'm not a psychiatrist, so I would not attempt to diagnose them as I'm sure that would be a thankless job. I'm sorry you have had bad experiences with some of these people, but so have I. There is good reason to have a healthy concern for your health, but this should be kept in a proper place.



Their focus seems often exaggeratedly misplaced to compensate for that more so than a healthy diet,mental attitude and lifestyle.

Rest easy my friend.


Yes, I agree with you. I'm a minimalist sort of guy.....contrarian...and only want the best for my family, and for the patients that I've spent the last 30 years helping. Blowhard.....hardly!
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Hitit

marcrph wrote:
Hitit wrote:
Judging by your responses it seems you took what I was saying as something a bit personally criticizing.



Not at all. I thought you were simply inquiring.



And now you sound like a blow hard....



Now you're trying to be rude. Is there not enough of that on this board? You seem like a nice guy. There is no need for name calling. I did not insult you, did I? I want no part of this back and forth rudeness on this board. I'm here for an exchange of ideas on high intensity training. Game?



I'll keep this short, but I find those who are over obsessive with supplements and nutritional aids (which I actually do believe and follow to a limit) are also excessively neurotic and have serious anxiety issues and focus on their health.



I do not like to categorize people. People are individuals. Do you like to be put in a certain category? That does not feel so good, does it? On the other hand, I have met some who on the surface seem excessively concerned about their health. I'm not a psychiatrist, so I would not attempt to diagnose them as I'm sure that would be a thankless job. I'm sorry you have had bad experiences with some of these people, but so have I. There is good reason to have a healthy concern for your health, but this should be kept in a proper place.



Their focus seems often exaggeratedly misplaced to compensate for that more so than a healthy diet,mental attitude and lifestyle.

Rest easy my friend.

Yes, I agree with you. I'm a minimalist sort of guy.....contrarian...and only want the best for my family, and for the patients that I've spent the last 30 years helping. Blowhard.....hardly!


Sorry, just impulsively felt you were trying to boast using your profession to validate your personal opinion.

If we all did that around here we would eventually detract to saying mine is bigger than yours therefore I'm right.
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marcrph

Portugal

Hitit wrote:
marcrph wrote:
Hitit wrote:
Judging by your responses it seems you took what I was saying as something a bit personally criticizing.



Not at all. I thought you were simply inquiring.



And now you sound like a blow hard....



Now you're trying to be rude. Is there not enough of that on this board? You seem like a nice guy. There is no need for name calling. I did not insult you, did I? I want no part of this back and forth rudeness on this board. I'm here for an exchange of ideas on high intensity training. Game?



I'll keep this short, but I find those who are over obsessive with supplements and nutritional aids (which I actually do believe and follow to a limit) are also excessively neurotic and have serious anxiety issues and focus on their health.



I do not like to categorize people. People are individuals. Do you like to be put in a certain category? That does not feel so good, does it? On the other hand, I have met some who on the surface seem excessively concerned about their health. I'm not a psychiatrist, so I would not attempt to diagnose them as I'm sure that would be a thankless job. I'm sorry you have had bad experiences with some of these people, but so have I. There is good reason to have a healthy concern for your health, but this should be kept in a proper place.



Their focus seems often exaggeratedly misplaced to compensate for that more so than a healthy diet,mental attitude and lifestyle.

Rest easy my friend.

Yes, I agree with you. I'm a minimalist sort of guy.....contrarian...and only want the best for my family, and for the patients that I've spent the last 30 years helping. Blowhard.....hardly!

Sorry, just impulsively felt you were trying to boast using your profession to validate your personal opinion.

If we all did that around here we would eventually detract to saying mine is bigger than yours therefore I'm right.


Imagine trying to give healthy information every day to patients, and a select few getting angry at you for telling them the truth. For every one person who listens, there are many who don't. No boasting is necessary....for next week, I will have at least a dozen who get angry at me for various reasons. So it goes.
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Hitit

Marcrph,

I know what you are saying more than you know, no need for me to imagine.
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marcrph

Portugal

Hitit wrote:
Marcrph,

I know what you are saying more than you know, no need for me to imagine.


Tu y yo, amigos!

As "iron sharpens iron," let us sharpen each other's ideas to provide the best exercise information available. There are a lot of great ideas here, unfortunately there are some "wolves among the sheep."
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marcrph

Portugal

Dr Darden states:

"The Golden-Age secret is to consume a small meal, 400 calories or less, and to repeat it every 2 and 1/2 hours. To facilitate this process, it's helpful to have available nutritious, meal-replacement shakes and protein-energy bars.
Six or more of these small meals were consumed each day by serious, old-school bodybuilders."
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Salient points:

1) Mini meals

2) 6 meals a day

3) 60/20/20
Carbohydrate/Fat/Protein
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marcrph

Portugal

400 calorie mini-meal

60 % of 400 = 240
20 % of 400 = 80


Therefore:

240 carbohydrate calories per mini-meal
80 fat/protein calories per mini-meal
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