"Doing more exercise with less intensity,"
Arthur Jones believes, "has all but
destroyed the actual great value
of weight training. Something
must be done . . . and quickly."
The New Bodybuilding for
Old-School Results supplies
MUCH of that "something."
This is one of 93 photos of Andy McCutcheon that are used in The New High-Intensity Training to illustrate the recommended exercises.
To find out more about McCutcheon and his training, click here.
This kind of intensity and training will work in those who hasn't trained with intensity before, after the initial gains of musclemass it will stop. Of course you will gain strength, but that is because the body will adjust to this type of training. But it will not build musclemass......
please explain why
Because I and many others have done this one and off for years and it doesn't build musclemass....
This kind of intensity and training will work in those who hasn't trained with intensity before, after the initial gains of musclemass it will stop. Of course you will gain strength, but that is because the body will adjust to this type of training. But it will not build musclemass......
please explain why
Because I and many others have done this one and off for years and it doesn't build musclemass....
So muscle mass won't increase without facial muscle contractions -- hmm, interesting, it must be because of the additional growth hormone and testosterone produced by tensing up the platysma of the neck and the maxillofacial muscles.
the set ended when another rep couldn't be done, what's so special about that? everyone stops their set then. the reps were too low too. 5,6,7 total reps in set are too low to be intense. unimpressed here to the max
pickle logic wrote:
the set ended when another rep couldn't be done, what's so special about that? everyone stops their set then. the reps were too low too. 5,6,7 total reps in set are too low to be intense. unimpressed here to the max
It's cool to troll and all, but very large powerlifters disagree with you. Their max singles just aren't that intense and through magic have they grown.
STanner wrote:
pickle logic wrote:
the set ended when another rep couldn't be done, what's so special about that? everyone stops their set then. the reps were too low too. 5,6,7 total reps in set are too low to be intense. unimpressed here to the max
It's cool to troll and all, but very large powerlifters disagree with you. Their max singles just aren't that intense and through magic have they grown.
Billywolf wrote:
HIT wrote:
BloodandGuts wrote:
HIT wrote:
This kind of intensity and training will work in those who hasn't trained with intensity before, after the initial gains of musclemass it will stop. Of course you will gain strength, but that is because the body will adjust to this type of training. But it will not build musclemass......
please explain why
Because I and many others have done this one and off for years and it doesn't build musclemass....
So muscle mass won't increase without facial muscle contractions -- hmm, interesting, it must be because of the additional growth hormone and testosterone produced by tensing up the platysma of the neck and the maxillofacial muscles.
Are you kidding us????
I can't go to total failure without som "facial muscle contractions"! The discomfort I feel shows in my face and I have to grunt also.
Of course there are someone who can train to total failure with a face like looking at the Cosby show, but I think they are very few.
Think about a person going to failure in the squat without tensing their facial muscles and maybe grunt a little bi...:)
I am very thankful for that video. If that is HIT-training 100% then I'm training really hard. I also know that no "noisemaking, not moving, not doing what you can to increase reps, lamaze-breathing-training" is not for me.
Grunting, yelling, screaming, and making a big dramatic show out of one's workout does not equate to "high intensity".
I am very thankful for that video. If that is HIT-training 100% then I'm training really hard. I also know that no "noisemaking, not moving, not doing what you can to increase reps, lamaze-breathing-training" is not for me.
Grunting, yelling, screaming, and making a big dramatic show out of one's workout does not equate to "high intensity".
Drew
I'm glad to see you are considering another video. I know I'll get something out of it.Both Hutchins and that doctor from Ultimate exercise have made good arguments for facial relaxation,focus,and concentration.Any reference I've ever seen about AJ's training mentioned all three of the above.His parable about racehorses still would seem to be true. Back in 1972,I was Pete Grymkowski's traing partner.Pete would periodically speak by phone with AJ.We had both the pullover and arm machines at Turner's Gym. Every thing else was conventional.We used a routine from bulletin#1.Pete actually burst a small blood vessel in one of his eyes doing leg presses with 750 on a vertical leg press. This was of course followed by leg extensions and squats,all done back to back.The only time he made noise was at the end of a set.
Jim
Unfortunately, I can't comment on the video at the moment because it has been downloading at the speed of 4.3 KB/s for the past 30 minutes. So much for satellite internet.. But anyway...
I have been reading Drew's articles for a while, I visit his site frequently, and I read some of his posts here on the forum. The guy is no idiot. I'm not saying he is all-knowing, but he knows HIT.
And about the facial expressions/noises... They are just bad habits, not markers of greater intensity. But even if you won't listen... You cats be careful with that Vasalva maneuver...
Drew,
You had a great article a while back on your site about meditation and training. I think making each rep an exercise in total concentration is key. It is also hard. It's easier to try to escape the discomfort with diversions like noise or the unecessary tensing of uninvolved muscles.
I think using too much weight can contribute to this also, as you are forced to cheat the weight up. This is usually accompanied by grunts and various contortions.
Regards,
Griff
karma50 wrote:
Drew,
You had a great article a while back on your site about meditation and training. I think making each rep an exercise in total concentration is key. It is also hard. It's easier to try to escape the discomfort with diversions like noise or the unecessary tensing of uninvolved muscles.
I think using too much weight can contribute to this also, as you are forced to cheat the weight up. This is usually accompanied by grunts and various contortions.
Regards,
Griff
To say that there should be no noisemaking or grimacing seems absurd to me. This is a high effort activity and to do what many are claiming here (stoicism) seems unnatural and unnecessary. I can still focus on what I'm doing, and make a little noise. If there is any energy loss, it is trivial. This is another example of HIT dogma. It's one-sided thinking.
There are other factors involved in effective training other than "grimacing takes energy away from the effort". There is the element of arousal, which bdj has spoken of. There is the element of tension release during effort. I'm not talking about yelling and screaming. These are normal bodily responses to high effort. Is there any physical activity where I am allowed to grimace or make noise? If it's not lifting weights, then I don't know what it could be.
gorlando,
I don't think it's possible not to do some grimacing, at least for most of us. I didn't mention grimacing anyway, although I do think it's a waste of energy. It's just someting I think can be minimized by focus and proper breathing and form. When I find myself starting to grimace, I relax the uninvolved muscles as much as I can and focus on my breathing and the target muscles. It's really an old technique. Concentrate on the task totally, and don't let your mind wander.
I haven't a clue what you mean by "HIT dogma". This seems to be a good way to do most things. Although it is not easy.
Regards,
Griff
Being intense can be lived and expressed in different ways. I have had equal luck with great tunes cranked (mainly TOOL for me ;^) and no noise from me personaly and a stoic face and demeanor. This is the introvert style approach, internalized control and aggression.
I have also have good results from no music and breathing, growing and grimacing big time. Just hearing my own natural aggressive feelings pour out feeds the workout intensity. This is akin to 'mob mentality' and how it hypes you up and feeds on itself.
I am huge on variation and I say use both extremes.
Charles Coulter wrote:
Does making faces, grunting, and yelling interfere with making progress?
The grunting is an indication of val salvas maneuver, which increases blood pressure significantly and can be dangerous for people at risk for stroke or aneurism, and in some cases cause headaches.
It is very, very difficult to not grimace, and is definitely unnatural not to do so during training. Avoiding it takes time and practice and constant reminding. The reason we avoid it is because it is usually associated with other problems, particularly the grunting/val salva. If you can keep your face relaxed, you're less likely to val salva as well.
Grunting, yelling, screaming, etc. are not indications of high intensity. They're theatrics meant to draw attention, and more of an annoyance to others than anything else. You can learn to train very hard without doing any of that.
They're trying to create an environment where the average person will feel comfortable training and there's nothing wrong with that. If Mr. Argibay doesn't like it, I'm sure he can find a "hardcore" powerlifting or bodybuilding gym where that sort of thing is tolerated.
I totally agree. I don't feel the need to grunt and groan to work hard and let everyone else know I'm working hard. There's some big guys in my gym and I've never heard them grunting either. It's not a written rule, but it's common courtesy that when you're in a gym with all sorts of people with all sorts of goals, mindsets, etc., you show some respect. On the other hand, if you're in a gym where everyone grunts or no one cares if you do, then by all means go for it. It's not a sign of intensity though.
Also, addressing earlier comments that a 5,6,7 rep range is too low to be intense - Why is your basis for that belief?
Intensity isn't governed by rep ranges, but rather the effort you put into each rep, set, and workout. Low, mid, or high reps can all be intense and some people just respond better in a certain range.
Sure, if you're stopping a set only because you want to hit a certain rep, than it may not be considered intense, and that goes for 4 reps, 10 rep, 20 reps, etc. However, if you are honestly concentrating and going to failure, then yes, 4 reps, 10 reps, and 20 reps can all be considered intense.
Try same routine with 12-15rep sets end with 3 assisted. i guarnatee there be some grimacing and groans because those are hard sets. now thats intensity.
