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http://cgi.ebay.com/...1QQcmdZViewItem
Can anyone comment on whether this is a good machine? What is the difference between a pullover and a super pullover? Anyone have an idea of the weight to figure out shipping costs?
thanks
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s153015 wrote:
http://cgi.ebay.com/...1QQcmdZViewItem
Can anyone comment on whether this is a good machine? What is the difference between a pullover and a super pullover? Anyone have an idea of the weight to figure out shipping costs?
thanks
Buy it , it is a great deal for an excellent machine.
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s153015 wrote:
http://cgi.ebay.com/...1QQcmdZViewItem
Can anyone comment on whether this is a good machine? What is the difference between a pullover and a super pullover? Anyone have an idea of the weight to figure out shipping costs?
thanks
Hi Rick,
This is a great machine. Most pullovers from Nautilus were Super Pullovers. At one time they made plate loaded, womens pullovers , etc. This would be the pullover a person would purchase for a coed type gym. A little big for most women and smaller frame people.
The only real issue with this vintage is that instead of bearings in movements and re-directional srockets, this year had oil impregnated bushings.
Due to this there is a lot of friction in this machine. However this can, of course be rectified by removing and replacing bushings with needle bearings.This machine has a negative cam also. Instead of changing the resistance as the cam winds through the movement this cam unwinds.Like the dou-squat machine. The weight of this machine is somewhere around 750 lbs. Jeff
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Hell yes that is a good machine - I just sold one for a grand.
Most of the stuff that place sells is outside stored and rusty and beat, but that piece looks beautiful
It will cost you at least 400 shipping probably more since it is overhanging the pallet.
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Looks like they have an additional $50 - possibly $100 worth of fees they will carge you themselves if you don't just come and pick it up.
Also looks like they will charge you if the machine isn't picked up the day they want it picked up. That means you probably won't be able to use the Goalder types for transport who do all their scheduling at their own pace whenever they happen to be in that part of the country.
That will require a Roadway Freight type carrier that will charge you extra for a non commercial pickup and definitely more for a residential delivery.
These are the factors always overlooked when people think they are viewing cheap exercise equipment.
That machine looks very good besides the elbow pads and it has a rare style of foot actuator for a Super II
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Nautilus called both the Gen 1 and Gen 2 machines "super pullovers". the duo squat with the 410 lb. stack is a Duo-Squat, and the one with the 510 lb. stack is called the "Super Duo-Squat. Go figure.
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admnautilus wrote:
s153015 wrote:
http://cgi.ebay.com/...1QQcmdZViewItem
Can anyone comment on whether this is a good machine? What is the difference between a pullover and a super pullover? Anyone have an idea of the weight to figure out shipping costs?
thanks
Hi Rick,
This is a great machine. Most pullovers from Nautilus were Super Pullovers. At one time they made plate loaded, womens pullovers , etc. This would be the pullover a person would purchase for a coed type gym. A little big for most women and smaller frame people.
The only real issue with this vintage is that instead of bearings in movements and re-directional srockets, this year had oil impregnated bushings.
Due to this there is a lot of friction in this machine. However this can, of course be rectified by removing and replacing bushings with needle bearings.This machine has a negative cam also. Instead of changing the resistance as the cam winds through the movement this cam unwinds.Like the dou-squat machine. The weight of this machine is somewhere around 750 lbs. Jeff
Some of these Gen 2 machines had bearings instead of bushings. That one looks new enough to have bearings. My Gen 2 pullover is older and does not have bearings.
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I have only seen bearings in like 3 or 4 of those machines - 99% of them had bushings up until 2ST units
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Nautilus1975 wrote:
I have only seen bearings in like 3 or 4 of those machines - 99% of them had bushings up until 2ST units
The Nautilus Next Generation machines all had bearings(not just the pullovers).This was the version right before the 2ST. These came out in 1988-1990. That is the year I started working for Nautilus.
Yes there were a few pullovers that had bearings in this vintage but very few. We have 2 of them. Bought them out of California for $125.00 a piece.
Here is a question for all you Nautilus buffs, what did Nautilus 2ST stand for? Jeff
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admnautilus wrote:
Nautilus1975 wrote:
I have only seen bearings in like 3 or 4 of those machines - 99% of them had bushings up until 2ST units
The Nautilus Next Generation machines all had bearings(not just the pullovers).This was the version right before the 2ST. These came out in 1988-1990. That is the year I started working for Nautilus.
Yes there were a few pullovers that had bearings in this vintage but very few. We have 2 of them. Bought them out of California for $125.00 a piece.
Here is a question for all you Nautilus buffs, what did Nautilus 2ST stand for? Jeff
i bought a used,vintage, super pullover II, with heavy duty bearings from the nautilus plant in va. for 200 bucks.i love that machine i was not aware how rare it was.i wanted to find the torso arm pull down from the same year but i couldnt find it.that thing was pretty much the same as the medx version.same handles and bearings but no kevlar.
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Jeff
Wasn't it Super Smooth Technology? Even though the 2ST line incorporated bearings at all the articulations, the top plate still slid up and down the guide rods on plastic bushings. I suppose the cost of chrome guide rods and linear bearings was prohibitive. Too bad could have been calles 3ST.
Mike
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"i bought a used,vintage, super pullover II, with heavy duty bearings from the nautilus plant in va. for 200 bucks."
Was that when they scrapped all those trailers full of early equipment when steel was at its record high?
That is the only time I ever knew of that place to sell ANYTHING that cheap....They want more than that for just PADS for one
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MikaelPR wrote:
Jeff
Wasn't it Super Smooth Technology? Even though the 2ST line incorporated bearings at all the articulations, the top plate still slid up and down the guide rods on plastic bushings. I suppose the cost of chrome guide rods and linear bearings was prohibitive. Too bad could have been calles 3ST.
Mike
Hi Mikael,
You are right!! Good job. This line originally was to be called SST but the name was already taken. Hence 2ST.
They also started using kevlar belts.Jeff
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jastrain wrote:
admnautilus wrote:
Nautilus1975 wrote:
I have only seen bearings in like 3 or 4 of those machines - 99% of them had bushings up until 2ST units
The Nautilus Next Generation machines all had bearings(not just the pullovers).This was the version right before the 2ST. These came out in 1988-1990. That is the year I started working for Nautilus.
Yes there were a few pullovers that had bearings in this vintage but very few. We have 2 of them. Bought them out of California for $125.00 a piece.
Here is a question for all you Nautilus buffs, what did Nautilus 2ST stand for? Jeff
i bought a used,vintage, super pullover II, with heavy duty bearings from the nautilus plant in va. for 200 bucks.i love that machine i was not aware how rare it was.i wanted to find the torso arm pull down from the same year but i couldnt find it.that thing was pretty much the same as the medx version.same handles and bearings but no kevlar.
Hey Jastrain,
That Torso Arm was the Torso Arm III.
It used flange bearings for the movements and was very much like the Medx Torso Arm of today. I picked up a TAIII not too long ago. Medx is now using a different handle though on their Torso Arm. It lets you change hand position.
For the record, Nautilus came out with the Low friction Bench press and Row at the same time.
Keep looking , you will find one. They are still out there and work great. Jeff
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Nautilus1975 wrote:
"i bought a used,vintage, super pullover II, with heavy duty bearings from the nautilus plant in va. for 200 bucks."
Was that when they scrapped all those trailers full of early equipment when steel was at its record high?
That is the only time I ever knew of that place to sell ANYTHING that cheap....They want more than that for just PADS for one
Your are right Nautilus 1975,
We had a trade in program and brought back a boat load of older equipment. For a long time Nautilus had a used division that would sell mostly to schools and private partys etc. Then along came the new owners-Bowflex and decided to scrap the remaining old pieces. This was a shame. Some great history went to scrap heaps. Jeff
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The Nautilus Super Pullover in the picture is a Series 3 Super Pullover (SPO-3). It was manufactured with heavy duty sealed flange bearings built into it -- both the movement arm and the cam/drive sprocket. It is also a direct drive machine. There is very little chain and only one sprocket that drives the weight stack. The sprocket is quite large and virtually eliminates any feeling of chain.
As a result, this pullover is probably the lowest friction pullover Nautilus ever made. You can't feel the chain at all, so the fact that it's chain driven is of no functional consequence. I would highly recommend buying this machine -- especially at this price. It's a great machine!
Tim Ryan
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Tim I know you are a star in this stuff, but I have 3 of those machines apart right in front of me and there is only brass bushings in them....unless you are talking about another location on the machine
Also I have pressed out those bushings and pressed in bearings in there place to like 30 other units just like that one.
None of these have the bolt on flange bearings like the "Low Friction" labled machines. When Nautilus put flanged bearings in something they made a pretty big deal about it by sticking "Low Friction Series" stickers all over it like the bench, compound row, pulldown etc.
I can shoot a pick of these movement arms and frames, but it is really pointless...anytime you see one just shine a flashlight down in the pivot point area and it will be obvious there aren't any bearings in there.....
Lots of those Next Gen machine look like they have bearings too, but when you remove the snap rings and pull that assembly apart there is just two bushings riding on each other - no rollers or balls. I guess it is sort of a bearing, but not Torrington Needle units.
EDIT - this machine pictured does look like it doesn't have through bolts on the movement arms - no pads to cover the shoulder bolts - if this is where the shafts are sandwiched for the flange bearings this is not a very common machine
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Nautilus1975 wrote:
"i bought a used,vintage, super pullover II, with heavy duty bearings from the nautilus plant in va. for 200 bucks."
Was that when they scrapped all those trailers full of early equipment when steel was at its record high?
That is the only time I ever knew of that place to sell ANYTHING that cheap....They want more than that for just PADS for one
i think the year was 1999 or 2000.and they did mention that they were going to start scraping the machines.mary hart was the sales person and she even threw in a rotary torso for free and if i had a bigger truck they would have given me more machines.
this place was great for nautilus collectors.every month they'd get a few circuts of machines.it is too bad they stopped doing this.it was like disney land.long drive from new york to va. but it was fun.9hours flew by driveing back with a truck load a really good machine that were in perfect condition.
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admnautilus wrote:
jastrain wrote:
admnautilus wrote:
Nautilus1975 wrote:
I have only seen bearings in like 3 or 4 of those machines - 99% of them had bushings up until 2ST units
The Nautilus Next Generation machines all had bearings(not just the pullovers).This was the version right before the 2ST. These came out in 1988-1990. That is the year I started working for Nautilus.
Yes there were a few pullovers that had bearings in this vintage but very few. We have 2 of them. Bought them out of California for $125.00 a piece.
Here is a question for all you Nautilus buffs, what did Nautilus 2ST stand for? Jeff
i bought a used,vintage, super pullover II, with heavy duty bearings from the nautilus plant in va. for 200 bucks.i love that machine i was not aware how rare it was.i wanted to find the torso arm pull down from the same year but i couldnt find it.that thing was pretty much the same as the medx version.same handles and bearings but no kevlar.
Hey Jastrain,
That Torso Arm was the Torso Arm III.
It used flange bearings for the movements and was very much like the Medx Torso Arm of today. I picked up a TAIII not too long ago. Medx is now using a different handle though on their Torso Arm. It lets you change hand position.
For the record, Nautilus came out with the Low friction Bench press and Row at the same time.
Keep looking , you will find one. They are still out there and work great. Jeff
my pullover must be a III. i tried the torsoarm III in a gym in the early 90s and i loved it.i dont think they made that many of them.
i tried the row and that was the best row machine i had ever tried. it had 2 handles.the 3's were the best line of ajs machines.they really got it right with those machines.i'd pay alot for a torso arm 3 or row .
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Nautilus made a Super Pullover 2 (SPO-2)that looked nearly identical to the SPO-3 except it had the bronze bushings instead of the flange bearings. It's easy to confuse it with the the SPO-3 The movement arm fit within a "fork" and a shoulder bolt ran through the fork and movement arm and out the other side.
However I am absolutely positive the one in the picture on Ebay is a series three. I can tell by the way the movement arm is mounted. It's not a SPO-2 -- the movement arm is NOT mounted within a fork.
Tim
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part of diagram series 3 pullover
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part of diagram series 2 pullover
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another series 3 pic
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another series 2 pic
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