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Paul Marsland

Ok Tom, this is an outright Challenge to YOU, whatever you take to parallel or deemed to be a powerlifting depth give or take an inch or two in the barbell BACK squat myself and or my brother will try and match you in the FRONT Squat...you can use a belt, but no knee wraps...

Video footage to follow shortly...

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Tomislav

New York, USA

Paul Marsland wrote:
Ok Tom, this is an outright Challenge to YOU, whatever you take to parallel or deemed to be a powerlifting depth give or take an inch or two in the barbell BACK squat myself and or my brother will try and match you in the FRONT Squat...you can use a belt, but no knee wraps...

Video footage to follow shortly...


Paul,

I think it's misleading to title this thread "Marsland Brothers"; think you should title it "Chemical Brothers" instead :)

Seriously, how can I take you seriously when you go from a careful breakdown comparing my arm/delt/back photo to a chemical athletes front stage photo (which in fact hides most of what you were trying to compare) and then in the next post insist I'm wearing a sweatshirt to look big when it was actually a clingy shirt :)

How can I take you seriously when you state that moving 500x20 in the partial fashion I've used should make it a piece of cake to squat that to parallel and then play jeopardy so as to refuse to discuss weather 475x30 in the same fashion is in fact more difficult than 500x20?

And finally, you can't squat as much (partial or to parallel; lets leave out full ROM unless you want to talk functional strength ATG broadjumps) as I can with a back squat, so why try to one up me with a front squat? Front squats are cool; why not just share your video without comparing it to a back squat?

Now you're making insinuations tying my results to steroids which I suppose is a complement, but still more than a little bit silly. Perhaps you consider cod liver oil a steroid? I make no secret of drinking this by the shotglass, just had one in fact :)

On the chemical assistance, well you've been open about that in regard to your own training (commendable) and your brothers need to search for a photo he might still have is indeed equally suggestive of fleeting chemical muscle; I have no interest in that kind of development and hence can post a photo anytime; even today when it's now been two weeks since I've trained (been busy; didn't even have time to post yesterday; but this is a bit long without training even for me).

Hey ...imagine if I even just took creatine? :)
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Paul Marsland

Tomislav wrote:
Paul Marsland wrote:
Ok Tom, this is an outright Challenge to YOU, whatever you take to parallel or deemed to be a powerlifting depth give or take an inch or two in the barbell BACK squat myself and or my brother will try and match you in the FRONT Squat...you can use a belt, but no knee wraps...

Video footage to follow shortly...


Paul,

I think it's misleading to title this thread "Marsland Brothers"; think you should title it "Chemical Brothers" instead :)


Yeah that's dead funny...not

Seriously, how can I take you seriously when you go from a careful ....breakdown comparing my arm/delt/back photo to a chemical athletes front stage photo (which in fact hides most of what you were trying to compare) and then in the next post insist I'm wearing a sweatshirt to look big when it was actually a clingy shirt :) Because I'm calling it how I see it...

How can I take you seriously when you state that moving 500x20 in the partial fashion I've used should make it a piece of cake to squat that to parallel and then play jeopardy so as to refuse to discuss weather 475x30 in the same fashion is in fact more difficult than 500x20?

And finally, you can't squat as much (partial or to parallel; lets leave out full ROM unless you want to talk functional strength ATG broadjumps) as I can with a back squat, so why try to one up me with a front squat? Front squats are cool; why not just share your video without comparing it to a back squat?
More dodging, well try me, take the challenge...

Now you're making insinuations tying my results to steroids which I suppose is a complement, but still more than a little bit silly. Perhaps you consider cod liver oil a steroid? I make no secret of drinking this by the shotglass, just had one in fact :) I never said any such thing and believe me if you did take steroids you'd look a damn site better than you think you do..

On the chemical assistance, well you've been open about that in regard to your own training (commendable) and your brothers need to search for a photo he might still have is indeed equally suggestive of fleeting chemical muscle; I have no interest in that kind of development and hence can post a photo anytime; even today when it's now been two weeks since I've trained (been busy; didn't even have time to post yesterday; but this is a bit long without training even for me). Then post a photo of these super strong legs and "thick columns of muscle running down your back"..as I've yet to see evidence of this...

Hey ...imagine if I even just took creatine? :)


Yeah imagine, then maybe than you might be able to actually do what you state and squat 500lbs....

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Acerimmer1

Tomislav wrote:
Paul Marsland wrote:
Ok Tom, this is an outright Challenge to YOU, whatever you take to parallel or deemed to be a powerlifting depth give or take an inch or two in the barbell BACK squat myself and or my brother will try and match you in the FRONT Squat...you can use a belt, but no knee wraps...

Video footage to follow shortly...


Paul,

I think it's misleading to title this thread "Marsland Brothers"; think you should title it "Chemical Brothers" instead :)

Seriously, how can I take you seriously when you go from a careful breakdown comparing my arm/delt/back photo to a chemical athletes front stage photo (which in fact hides most of what you were trying to compare) and then in the next post insist I'm wearing a sweatshirt to look big when it was actually a clingy shirt :)

How can I take you seriously when you state that moving 500x20 in the partial fashion I've used should make it a piece of cake to squat that to parallel and then play jeopardy so as to refuse to discuss weather 475x30 in the same fashion is in fact more difficult than 500x20?

And finally, you can't squat as much (partial or to parallel; lets leave out full ROM unless you want to talk functional strength ATG broadjumps) as I can with a back squat, so why try to one up me with a front squat? Front squats are cool; why not just share your video without comparing it to a back squat?

Now you're making insinuations tying my results to steroids which I suppose is a complement, but still more than a little bit silly. Perhaps you consider cod liver oil a steroid? I make no secret of drinking this by the shotglass, just had one in fact :)

On the chemical assistance, well you've been open about that in regard to your own training (commendable) and your brothers need to search for a photo he might still have is indeed equally suggestive of fleeting chemical muscle; I have no interest in that kind of development and hence can post a photo anytime; even today when it's now been two weeks since I've trained (been busy; didn't even have time to post yesterday; but this is a bit long without training even for me).

Hey ...imagine if I even just took creatine? :)


As soon as you come off codliver oil your gonna loose most of your gains. LOL
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

What's the big deal about knee wraps? I hear this stuff all the time about it's not fair to wear knee wraps or weight belts or elbow pads or whatever. Most of us here are not olympic caliber lifters but regular guys who hope these aids will help prevent injury more than significantly increasing their squat poundage.

Scott
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Tomislav

New York, USA

Acerimmer1 wrote:
As soon as you come off codliver oil your gonna loose most of your gains. LOL

:) That's pretty funny; I'm going to stay on all the time.

Used to cycle it with other oils in the summertime but I actually notice a performance drop when I do this. Think 10+ tablespoons a day (3 shotglasses) seems ideal for me long term. There's actually some interesting research on vitamin D being both anabolic and steroidal.

Scott,

I have no problem with using those things for safety; use a belt myself when going heavy, but if I'm squatting 455 or less I will forego the belt for better LB stimulation.

Paul,

Posting a pic of the Charles Atlas add with the "test kicking in" and saying "roid rage... this is for you big guy" seemed to imply you were suggesting just that; maybe you meant something else?

Also, your current avatar (naturals can't grow) leaves me with the impression you just don't like it when natural athletes make good progress. Perhaps you think this isn't fair? Drink some cod liver oil - use a shot glass ;)

And just when you were done flip flopping for 30 reps you ask for another picture of my LB!? Again, you can't be serious... I'll provide it if you are :)
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entsminger wrote:
What's the big deal about knee wraps? I hear this stuff all the time about it's not fair to wear knee wraps or weight belts or elbow pads or whatever. Most of us here are not olympic caliber lifters but regular guys who hope these aids will help prevent injury more than significantly increasing their squat poundage.

Scott


They artificially raise your poundages quite a bit. Not sure if/how they prevent injury. Since they allow you to lift more they could cause injury.
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Waynes

Switzerland

Paul Marsland wrote:
Ok Tom, this is an outright Challenge to YOU, whatever you take to parallel or deemed to be a powerlifting depth give or take an inch or two in the barbell BACK squat myself and or my brother will try and match you in the FRONT Squat...you can use a belt, but no knee wraps...

Video footage to follow shortly...



How many reps has he to do ???

Wayne

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Paul Marsland

Waynes wrote:
Paul Marsland wrote:
Ok Tom, this is an outright Challenge to YOU, whatever you take to parallel or deemed to be a powerlifting depth give or take an inch or two in the barbell BACK squat myself and or my brother will try and match you in the FRONT Squat...you can use a belt, but no knee wraps...

Video footage to follow shortly...



How many reps has he to do ???

Wayne



Just the one...wayne.
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Paul Marsland

Paul,

Posting a pic of the Charles Atlas add with the "test kicking in" and saying "roid rage... this is for you big guy" seemed to imply you were suggesting just that; maybe you meant something else?


Hmmmm it would seem my British sense of humour is lost on you, this was evidenced with James's replies to you as well....

Also, your current avatar (naturals can't grow) leaves me with the impression you just don't like it when natural athletes make good progress. Perhaps you think this isn't fair? Drink some cod liver oil - use a shot glass ;)

Trust me Tom I trained drug free for plenty of years and I have nothing against people who wish to train drug free and lets not forget there are some tremendous physiques on here who are drug free, Josh Trentine is one such guy and someone whom I consider a friend...

And just when you were done flip flopping for 30 reps you ask for another picture of my LB!? Again, you can't be serious... I'll provide it if you are :)

Well you seem to hold such a high opinion of your upper body development that surely your legs must match, along with your super strong core and functional strength...
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Acerimmer1

Tomislav wrote:
Also, your current avatar (naturals can't grow) leaves me with the impression you just don't like it when natural athletes make good progress.


Just leaves me with the impression to geniunely think so he must have been unable to do so himself. And wondering if he does genuinely think that why couldn't he grow?
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Acerimmer1

Paul Marsland wrote:
Trust me Tom I trained drug free for plenty of years and I have nothing against people who wish to train drug free and lets not forget there are some tremendous physiques on here who are drug free, Josh Trentine is one such guy and someone whom I consider a friend...



So then have some respect for your Josh and all the other people who train Drug free and change your Avataar.
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simon-hecubus

Texas, USA

Tomislav wrote:
Acerimmer1 wrote:
As soon as you come off codliver oil your gonna loose most of your gains. LOL
:) That's pretty funny; I'm going to stay on all the time.


Don't forget the tribulus and Maca saturation.
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Benjamin Dover

entsminger wrote:
What's the big deal about knee wraps? I hear this stuff all the time about it's not fair to wear knee wraps or weight belts or elbow pads or whatever. Most of us here are not olympic caliber lifters but regular guys who hope these aids will help prevent injury more than significantly increasing their squat poundage.

Scott


Knee wraps can actually hurt your knees. Competitive lifting is dangerous anyway, so knee wraps used for that purpose will be welcomed by most!

Think about how the wraps form around the back of the knee. Consider the dangerous forces at the bottom of a squat as the bones of the upper and lower leg are literally pulled apart - THIS very issue is amplified by using the wraps. Not good.

Wraps will up your poundages, but they wont save your knees...

...not that any of this affects Tommo. That boy doesn't bend his knees!

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Benjamin Dover

Acerimmer1 wrote:
Paul Marsland wrote:
Trust me Tom I trained drug free for plenty of years and I have nothing against people who wish to train drug free and lets not forget there are some tremendous physiques on here who are drug free, Josh Trentine is one such guy and someone whom I consider a friend...



So then have some respect for your Josh and all the other people who train Drug free and change your Avataar.


Irony...? If you don't get it I wouldn't lose too much sleep Ace.
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Paul Marsland

JamesT wrote:
Acerimmer1 wrote:
Paul Marsland wrote:
Trust me Tom I trained drug free for plenty of years and I have nothing against people who wish to train drug free and lets not forget there are some tremendous physiques on here who are drug free, Josh Trentine is one such guy and someone whom I consider a friend...



So then have some respect for your Josh and all the other people who train Drug free and change your Avataar.

Irony...? If you don't get it I wouldn't lose too much sleep Ace.


Agreed James.....

What if I change me avatar to a picture of Mentzer??? Would that be acceptable as he used HIT, oh no wait, hang on a minute, he's chemically enhanced too!!!!



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simon-hecubus

Texas, USA

Paul Marsland wrote:
What if I change me avatar to a picture of Mentzer??? Would that be acceptable as he used HIT, oh no wait, hang on a minute, he's chemically enhanced too!!!


I guess that's why he was able to do HIS quarter-squats with 1,000+ lbs.
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Acerimmer1

Paul Marsland wrote:

What if I change me avatar to a picture of Mentzer??? Would that be acceptable as he used HIT, oh no wait, hang on a minute, he's chemically enhanced too!!!!



So what? You know it was the caption we were talking about.
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Acerimmer1

JamesT wrote:
Irony...? If you don't get it I wouldn't lose too much sleep Ace.


Sorry about that I should've known he was being ironic. Part of me didn't really believe it either but it's not often that natural bodybuilders pretend to be on steroids is it?
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Benjamin Dover

Acerimmer1 wrote:
JamesT wrote:
Irony...? If you don't get it I wouldn't lose too much sleep Ace.


Sorry about that I should've known he was being ironic. Part of me didn't really believe it either but it's not often that natural bodybuilders pretend to be on steroids is it?


Ah, still not quite there then!
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Acerimmer1

JamesT wrote:
Acerimmer1 wrote:
JamesT wrote:
Irony...? If you don't get it I wouldn't lose too much sleep Ace.


Sorry about that I should've known he was being ironic. Part of me didn't really believe it either but it's not often that natural bodybuilders pretend to be on steroids is it?

Ah, still not quite there then!


Listen James maybe you believe that Paul Marsland is on drugs. But I don't.
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Tomislav

New York, USA


Paul and his little brother wrote:
With regard to Tom either put up or shut up .. if you can squat 500lb to parallel then prove it or stop talking crap. I like the chemical brothers tag .. very funny but if only if it was that easy .. I should stop training my arse off 3 x per week and eating 7 meals a day and just take more steroids hahaha .. comments like that just reinforce how little you actually know. With regard to your 'ahem' physique .. you don't really have one, you are fat and have very little visible development.. you look like a pudgy middle aged man. I would love to see how much lean body mass you have when dieted down to a reasonable level of bodyfat .. go on I dare ya!!!
Oh and just to prove I'm not an internet warrior but someone who actually does train here's a pic

OK, regarding the nasty personal comments I'll just let this virtual posedown illustrate; little bro I don't know your name - is it OK if I just call you as Scrappy? (You remind me of ScoobyDoo's little sidekick standing next to Paul) :)

Steve, you've finally posted somewhat of a sideshot after posting your best contest pic at me in lieu of training conversation. There you go, I can see why you don't want to post a pic with your arm raised and why you're so angry as to eschew training discussion.

Paul, I didn't include your doctored pic of the Charles Atlas guy who put some muscle on after getting sand kicked in his face, but he too is bigger than your brother - hope the virtual sand inspires Scrappy to put some food in his mouth when he opens it (7 meals? That must be 200 calories of chicken breast and egg whites each).

BTW, it's fine to drag your little brother into this and fine for you to make a Video challenge too, I'm game but why be so nasty about it?

Here are the rules since you've already stated 500x20 in my partial style should make 500 to parallel no sweat. I notice you have no comments on the ROM illustration I provided; good for you because we're going to use that in the qualifyer.

Since I've already posted videos and you've only made nastier posts since you trapped yourself playing Jeopardy, here's what you and Scrappy have to do with the qualifyer (contest is open to Steve too):

1. Forget about one upping me by matching my parallel squat in the front squat; once you pass the qualifier you can attempt a normal parallel squat, that's more fair.

2. Post your videos matching my ROM and form (means you'll need to go up and down in a straight line) with 475x30 reps. Should be a piece of cake for you too and fine if they are not continuous tension, I won't hold you to that :)

3. Alternately post a pulldown video using 300 lbs for the same number of reps; use as much English as you want, fine if you use more than me :)

4. Alternately, post your skull crusher video with 150 lbs using the same form and ROM - pure isolation here so keep your upper arm locked in place (no pullover motion); Scrappy will find this impossible since he has no long head on his triceps :)

5. Alternately, post a video of your full hanging leg lift to show your core strength; since this requires no skill matrix you should be able to do it if you're strong enough.

Looking forward to watching your qualifyer videos; I'm good on my word - if you can qualify I'll do the parallel squat :)

In the meantime, training conversation is more fun than being Nasty; think Ace is right and you and your brother seem bitter about not being able to gain muscle naturally, and upset that a natural athlete has put more muscle on than you; in your brothers case he must be upset all the time as there are natural female athletes with bigger arms than he; I don't believe 30 inch thighs are ever developed on an athlete with arms that small either; think you're really pulling my leg with that one.
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Mr. Strong

In fewer words you can't do what you claimed you could, why not just say so Tomislav?
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ScrappyDoo

Tomislav wrote:

Paul and his little brother wrote:
With regard to Tom either put up or shut up .. if you can squat 500lb to parallel then prove it or stop talking crap. I like the chemical brothers tag .. very funny but if only if it was that easy .. I should stop training my arse off 3 x per week and eating 7 meals a day and just take more steroids hahaha .. comments like that just reinforce how little you actually know. With regard to your 'ahem' physique .. you don't really have one, you are fat and have very little visible development.. you look like a pudgy middle aged man. I would love to see how much lean body mass you have when dieted down to a reasonable level of bodyfat .. go on I dare ya!!!
Oh and just to prove I'm not an internet warrior but someone who actually does train here's a pic

OK, regarding the nasty personal comments I'll just let this virtual posedown illustrate; little bro I don't know your name - is it OK if I just call you as Scrappy? (You remind me of ScoobyDoo's little sidekick standing next to Paul) :)

Steve, you've finally posted somewhat of a sideshot after posting your best contest pic at me in lieu of training conversation. There you go, I can see why you don't want to post a pic with your arm raised and why you're so angry as to eschew training discussion.

Paul, I didn't include your doctored pic of the Charles Atlas guy who put some muscle on after getting sand kicked in his face, but he too is bigger than your brother - hope the virtual sand inspires Scrappy to put some food in his mouth when he opens it (7 meals? That must be 200 calories of chicken breast and egg whites each).

BTW, it's fine to drag your little brother into this and fine for you to make a Video challenge too, I'm game but why be so nasty about it?

Here are the rules since you've already stated 500x20 in my partial style should make 500 to parallel no sweat. I notice you have no comments on the ROM illustration I provided; good for you because we're going to use that in the qualifyer.

Since I've already posted videos and you've only made nastier posts since you trapped yourself playing Jeopardy, here's what you and Scrappy have to do with the qualifyer (contest is open to Steve too):

1. Forget about one upping me by matching my parallel squat in the front squat; once you pass the qualifier you can attempt a normal parallel squat, that's more fair.

2. Post your videos matching my ROM and form (means you'll need to go up and down in a straight line) with 475x30 reps. Should be a piece of cake for you too and fine if they are not continuous tension, I won't hold you to that :)

3. Alternately post a pulldown video using 300 lbs for the same number of reps; use as much English as you want, fine if you use more than me :)

4. Alternately, post your skull crusher video with 150 lbs using the same form and ROM - pure isolation here so keep your upper arm locked in place (no pullover motion); Scrappy will find this impossible since he has no long head on his triceps :)

5. Alternately, post a video of your full hanging leg lift to show your core strength; since this requires no skill matrix you should be able to do it if you're strong enough.

Looking forward to watching your qualifyer videos; I'm good on my word - if you can qualify I'll do the parallel squat :)

In the meantime, training conversation is more fun than being Nasty; think Ace is right and you and your brother seem bitter about not being able to gain muscle naturally, and upset that a natural athlete has put more muscle on than you; in your brothers case he must be upset all the time as there are natural female athletes with bigger arms than he; I don't believe 30 inch thighs are ever developed on an athlete with arms that small either; think you're really pulling my leg with that one.


Well you finally dragged me out of hiding!! I assume by putting up that little montage you're trying to say you look better than the rest of us ..man you are soooo deluded you must have those crazy mirrors like at the circus which make you look totally different.

Let's see how much more muscular you are when you've dieted down to 6% bodyfat .. I would also say that the photo I posted has me weighing around 200lb at 6% in preparation for a bodybuilding contest and you're what 210lb at about 15-20% bf??? .. you do the maths as to who has more muscle. Re: my arms you're totally right they are very small and the long head of my triceps is very very short.. genetics are a bitch aren't they!

I have had 30" thighs at a (fat) bodyweight of 265lbs ..they now measure soemwhere in the region of 27-28" in much better condition at abw of 230lb. With regard to my brothers challenge - yet again you deflect it. You are the one who said that you can squat 500lb to parallel because of your 'partial' rep training, you were simply asked to demonstrate this but you choose to deflect it with another challenge.

I for one wouldn't want to try your way of training as I value my joints and connective tissue too much ;)
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