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entsminger

Virginia, USA

If there's one thing that binds the people together who post on this board that would be the desire to talk about exercise and the building of muscle and strength. You all hope somone will be interested in what you have to say and will listen.

There are some on the board who have reputations and are well known in the industry so people tend to listen to what they have to say and others that just spout off their opinions with nothing to back them but something they may have read in a muscle magazine. People tend to listen to those they respect.

Gaining respect is not easy. Darden for instance gained respect by living and being a part of the world of exercise and then writing about and telling us of his experiances.He's worked with the best, he's competed in bodybuilding, he's shown us pictures of himself competing. He shows us video's of his training sessions.

He puts himself out there as much as possible for all to examine. He has gained the respect of many.People listen to him!

Then there are those who post on this board who also want to be heard and listened to yet they don't do anything in the way of earning that respect. Regardless if they just started working out own a gym they may have something good to say worth listening to but they rarely do anything to gain the respect needed to get people to actually listen to them.

They hide behind a tiny avitar which may or may not be them and give forth little insight into who they are or why we should consider what they have to say. They refuse to post pictures or video's of themselves working out. They rarely open up and give honest answers about their personal strengths, or methods or how they progress or anything concrete.

Just to use Bio-force, John Casler as an example, he has posted pictures of himself through out the years of his life, he has posted video's of his actuall workouts. He has pretty much explained over and over again how he has been there and done it all and his trial and tribulations.

This doesn't mean we all have to believe everything he or anyone else says as the gospel, but he has earned the right to be listened to . Then there are those of you , and you know who you are, who talk alot and post constantly but won't even post a picture of your self much less a video of you in action.

You want people to listn but you give no reason why someone should. You prety much have not shared anything personal about yourelf that gives one any confidence that you have a clue about anything.For all we know you may be a 400 pound gorilla that learned to type?

One of the reasons I posted video's of myself working out was to inspire those of you who haven't to do so. So far I've failed.

On my bicep gap thread I asked you guys to please post pictures of your arms so we could all see arms of those of us in the real world to compare ours to, not just those Casey Viator types we see so many pictures of. They were no Kevin Levrone's in size yet Jeff and Franco had the guts and came forth and post shots of their arms and I and I'm sure many others on this forum gained great respect for them for what they did. They were letting us see who they really are.

Imagine if Casey Viator just talked about how big he was but we never got to atually see how big he was or if Ellington Darden just talked a good talk but we never really saw a picture of him? Even Arthur Jones as grizzled a man as he was posted many pictures of himself. Would we really listen to them if we never saw them in action?

What about the rest of you guys who haven't done so already? Do you want to just be a name out there babbling away your opinions or do you want people to actually listen and respect what you have to say? So what does it take to get more of you to show us who you really are and what you really do? Pictures and video's are worth a thousand words.

Scott
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AShortt

Ontario, CAN

Well I don't like to look as though I am advertising, I got a lot of that in accusations when I co-authored the Zone Trilogy (JReps). However you can read a basic overview (and see last years comp pic...though I do look somewhat better this year ;n) of the all 'Full of Wonder' Me, Myself and I. at: http://fitnessclinician.com/

The bio section has a few articles. No I am not looking to sell anything, I don't do internet training so don't ask or accuse and I am not selling a book. As well, my fine tuning and fun stuff like static stops, squeezes and blah, blah, blah aren't there because that is for friendly discussion and mostly for hands on work. It does give you a honest sense of me though ;n)

Regards,
Andrew
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Landau

Florida, USA

OK - Landau Arm (OK - I Know it Doesn't Make Me Healthier)
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Hitit

I would post some pictures, but I'm always one of the ones asking for advise!! LOL
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

Hitit wrote:
I would post some pictures, but I'm always one of the ones asking for advise!! LOL


==Scott==
I think we're all asking for advise in one way or another. There's nobody on here that knows to much to ask questions. Go, ahead and post a picture or two.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

AShortt wrote:
Well I don't like to look as though I am advertising, I got a lot of that in accusations when I co-authored the Zone Trilogy (JReps). However you can read a basic overview (and see last years comp pic...though I do look somewhat better this year ;n) of the all 'Full of Wonder' Me, Myself and I. at: http://fitnessclinician.com/

The bio section has a few articles. No I am not looking to sell anything, I don't do internet training so don't ask or accuse and I am not selling a book. As well, my fine tuning and fun stuff like static stops, squeezes and blah, blah, blah aren't there because that is for friendly discussion and mostly for hands on work. It does give you a honest sense of me though ;n)

Regards,
Andrew


==Scott=
Great shot of you Andrew!! thanks!!

Scott
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

Landau wrote:
OK - Landau Arm (OK - I Know it Doesn't Make Me Healthier)


==Scott==
Nice arm shot Landau! That coupled with the picture of you that I think is in Dardens, Landau lifts large thread paints a better picture of you! Thanks! I know it may not make you heathier but it does show you gotta alot more guts than some on here!This is a great start. Let's keep the pictures/videos coming guys!!

Plese forgive me if you've posted a picture of yourself in the past and I've missed it but so far as I remember only Bio, Franco, Jeff, 5153015,Tomislav and Acer, Ithink thereforIam and these recent two, Ashort and Landau have ever posted any pictures or video's of them selves. How about the rest of you guys?????

Coach Jeff
Sgb2112
Dan the man
Yes
Paul
Marcrph
Wayne
Coomo
Nautilus 1975
Dr. fist
Wesh
Michael
Ft. collinsfan
Chasbari
Mr. Strong
Hitit
Iron goose
Kurtvf
Especially --Southbeach--
Simon
Physcult
lesterware
RYO
Bill
Benny
Ron 33
Tbone
Steve
5153015
New yorker
Yorchyna
Trvis

etc etc etc.......

Come on guys, you can do it!!



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AShortt

Ontario, CAN

entsminger wrote:
AShortt wrote:
Well I don't like to look as though I am advertising, I got a lot of that in accusations when I co-authored the Zone Trilogy (JReps). However you can read a basic overview (and see last years comp pic...though I do look somewhat better this year ;n) of the all 'Full of Wonder' Me, Myself and I. at: http://fitnessclinician.com/

The bio section has a few articles. No I am not looking to sell anything, I don't do internet training so don't ask or accuse and I am not selling a book. As well, my fine tuning and fun stuff like static stops, squeezes and blah, blah, blah aren't there because that is for friendly discussion and mostly for hands on work. It does give you a honest sense of me though ;n)

Regards,
Andrew

==Scott=
Great shot of you Andrew!! thanks!!

Scott


Thanx Sir, I do plan on a few vid's of fav. moves that are too tough for me to bother explaining. That and the type of zoning/continuous partials I do are to be seen more than read ;n) I'll get into that next week when I am a eating more and less fussy about workout structure/schedule.

Regards,
Andrew
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TBoneMitch

Quebec, CAN

Ok, ok I will post a picture of me, actually from november 2008, you are right that it is a motivating thing to do.

My BF % is a little higher now (damn North European genetics!) and I am trying to bring it back to the level it is in the picture.

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TBoneMitch

Quebec, CAN

And from the front:
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chasbari

Ohio, USA

entsminger wrote:
Landau wrote:
OK - Landau Arm (OK - I Know it Doesn't Make Me Healthier)

==Scott==
Nice arm shot Landau! That coupled with the picture of you that I think is in Dardens, Landau lifts large thread paints a better picture of you! Thanks! I know it may not make you heathier but it does show you gotta alot more guts than some on here!This is a great start. Let's keep the pictures/videos coming guys!!

Plese forgive me if you've posted a picture of yourself in the past and I've missed it but so far as I remember only Bio, Franco, Jeff, 5153015,Tomislav and Acer, Ithink thereforIam and these recent two, Ashort and Landau have ever posted any pictures or video's of them selves. How about the rest of you guys?????

Coach Jeff
Sgb2112
Dan the man
Yes
Paul
Marcrph
Wayne
Coomo
Nautilus 1975
Dr. fist
Wesh
Michael
Ft. collinsfan
Chasbari
Mr. Strong
Hitit
Iron goose
Kurtvf
Especially --Southbeach--
Simon
Physcult
lesterware
RYO
Bill
Benny
Ron 33
Tbone
Steve
5153015
New yorker
Yorchyna
Trvis

etc etc etc.......

Come on guys, you can do it!!





Geez oh man, give me a few minutes will ya? I am still trying to figure out the video posting and links and all that stuff. I am trying to download video to Youtube as we speak and it looks like I will have to cut down the numbers as the files are so huge... don't know how to compress them too well... Ooooh, I have an idea. They were way too big for Photobucket but I will try something else. Not sure how to create links but video should be forthcoming sometime today of this pasty skinny white celiac wimp.
CS
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Bill Sekerak

California, USA

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Bill Sekerak

California, USA

Although a picture is not an argument I will try and post what I have digitized. I hope I remember how to do this with my Mac.

Ellington Darden often tells the story about how he had addressed an audience on the subject of training.
He was the first speaker, Arnold was next. After Darden had finished Arnold got up on stage and said " Who are you going to believe ? Me ? Or Him ?

That is not an argument either. Arthur Jones forgot more about exercise than Arnold will ever know. Who are you going to believe ?

Physical appearance is in no way an indicator of any type of knowledge.
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Bill Sekerak

California, USA

#2 Me and an old man.
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Bill Sekerak

California, USA

#3 One of the few pictures of me that my 1st wife didn't take just to be a bitch.
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Bill Sekerak

California, USA

#4 An old photo taken by the worlds worst photographer, my ex-wife.
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Bill Sekerak

California, USA

Last. I don't know if this one went through or not , so if it is a duplicate thats why.
Never let a tractor fall on you. This is a more recent photo where I could still walk without a wheelchair and/or morphine.
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Bill Sekerak

California, USA

entsminger wrote:
If there's one thing that binds the people together who post on this board that would be the desire to talk about exercise and the building of muscle and strength. You all hope somone will be interested in what you have to say and will listen.

There are some on the board who have reputations and are well known in the industry so people tend to listen to what they have to say and others that just spout off their opinions with nothing to back them but something they may have read in a muscle magazine. People tend to listen to those they respect.

Gaining respect is not easy. Darden for instance gained respect by living and being a part of the world of exercise and then writing about and telling us of his experiances.He's worked with the best, he's competed in bodybuilding, he's shown us pictures of himself competing. He shows us video's of his training sessions.

He puts himself out there as much as possible for all to examine. He has gained the respect of many.People listen to him!

Then there are those who post on this board who also want to be heard and listened to yet they don't do anything in the way of earning that respect. Regardless if they just started working out own a gym they may have something good to say worth listening to but they rarely do anything to gain the respect needed to get people to actually listen to them.

They hide behind a tiny avitar which may or may not be them and give forth little insight into who they are or why we should consider what they have to say. They refuse to post pictures or video's of themselves working out. They rarely open up and give honest answers about their personal strengths, or methods or how they progress or anything concrete.

Just to use Bio-force, John Casler as an example, he has posted pictures of himself through out the years of his life, he has posted video's of his actuall workouts. He has pretty much explained over and over again how he has been there and done it all and his trial and tribulations.

This doesn't mean we all have to believe everything he or anyone else says as the gospel, but he has earned the right to be listened to . Then there are those of you , and you know who you are, who talk alot and post constantly but won't even post a picture of your self much less a video of you in action.

You want people to listn but you give no reason why someone should. You prety much have not shared anything personal about yourelf that gives one any confidence that you have a clue about anything.For all we know you may be a 400 pound gorilla that learned to type?

One of the reasons I posted video's of myself working out was to inspire those of you who haven't to do so. So far I've failed.

On my bicep gap thread I asked you guys to please post pictures of your arms so we could all see arms of those of us in the real world to compare ours to, not just those Casey Viator types we see so many pictures of. They were no Kevin Levrone's in size yet Jeff and Franco had the guts and came forth and post shots of their arms and I and I'm sure many others on this forum gained great respect for them for what they did. They were letting us see who they really are.

Imagine if Casey Viator just talked about how big he was but we never got to atually see how big he was or if Ellington Darden just talked a good talk but we never really saw a picture of him? Even Arthur Jones as grizzled a man as he was posted many pictures of himself. Would we really listen to them if we never saw them in action?

What about the rest of you guys who haven't done so already? Do you want to just be a name out there babbling away your opinions or do you want people to actually listen and respect what you have to say? So what does it take to get more of you to show us who you really are and what you really do? Pictures and video's are worth a thousand words.

Scott


Happy now ?
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Hitit

entsminger wrote:
Hitit wrote:
I would post some pictures, but I'm always one of the ones asking for advise!! LOL

==Scott==
I think we're all asking for advise in one way or another. There's nobody on here that knows to much to ask questions. Go, ahead and post a picture or two.


Well ok then, I'll see what I can do!
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

chasbari wrote:
entsminger wrote:
Landau wrote:
OK - Landau Arm (OK - I Know it Doesn't Make Me Healthier)

==Scott==
Nice arm shot Landau! That coupled with the picture of you that I think is in Dardens, Landau lifts large thread paints a better picture of you! Thanks! I know it may not make you heathier but it does show you gotta alot more guts than some on here!This is a great start. Let's keep the pictures/videos coming guys!!

Plese forgive me if you've posted a picture of yourself in the past and I've missed it but so far as I remember only Bio, Franco, Jeff, 5153015,Tomislav and Acer, Ithink thereforIam and these recent two, Ashort and Landau have ever posted any pictures or video's of them selves. How about the rest of you guys?????

Coach Jeff
Sgb2112
Dan the man
Yes
Paul
Marcrph
Wayne
Coomo
Nautilus 1975
Dr. fist
Wesh
Michael
Ft. collinsfan
Chasbari
Mr. Strong
Hitit
Iron goose
Kurtvf
Especially --Southbeach--
Simon
Physcult
lesterware
RYO
Bill
Benny
Ron 33
Tbone
Steve
5153015
New yorker
Yorchyna
Trvis

etc etc etc.......

Come on guys, you can do it!!





Geez oh man, give me a few minutes will ya? I am still trying to figure out the video posting and links and all that stuff. I am trying to download video to Youtube as we speak and it looks like I will have to cut down the numbers as the files are so huge... don't know how to compress them too well... Ooooh, I have an idea. They were way too big for Photobucket but I will try something else. Not sure how to create links but video should be forthcoming sometime today of this pasty skinny white celiac wimp.
CS


==Scott==
To compress your video's to fit on a photobucket like place you can download a free compresssion program called Prism video converter for free trial use. It will last for weeks and then you just remove it from your computer and load it again when it expires .Convert them to a MOV file and unless they are 20 minutes they should load to photobucket.It's gotta be easy, I can do it!

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entsminger

Virginia, USA

Bill Sekerak wrote:
Although a picture is not an argument I will try and post what I have digitized. I hope I remember how to do this with my Mac.

Ellington Darden often tells the story about how he had addressed an audience on the subject of training.
He was the first speaker, Arnold was next. After Darden had finished Arnold got up on stage and said " Who are you going to believe ? Me ? Or Him ?

That is not an argument either. Arthur Jones forgot more about exercise than Arnold will ever know. Who are you going to believe ?

Physical appearance is in no way an indicator of any type of knowledge.


===Scott==
No physical appearance doesn't have much to do with knowledge and just because one isn't built like Levrone doesn't mean he doesn't know anything, but seeing the person say it or knowing who you are talking too is a huge improvement over just guessing what the author might look like. Seeing an actuall set of reps is even better. We all see these huge guys on youtube crankin out their reps but what they do is of little relivance to us normal non genetic freak human beings. Seeing what the people do who post on this site in my opinion is much more helpfull.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

Bill Sekerak wrote:
Last. I don't know if this one went through or not , so if it is a duplicate thats why.
Never let a tractor fall on you. This is a more recent photo where I could still walk without a wheelchair and/or morphine.


==Scott==
Great pictures Bill! It's just the tip of the ice berg but I'm getting more of a feeling that we are a family of some sort vrs just a bunch of faceless posters!

I recently had a Nautilus Multi machine nearly drop on my head when I was moving it. I saw the whole milky way of stars. Was it a John Deere tractor that fell on you? I hope not as I love them. Now I've got 3 old riding mower Deere's but some day I want the real thing to putz around on. A model D.
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chasbari

Ohio, USA

Well Scott, you did it. I up and posted my videos but on a separate post so I could deflect any personal ridicule I am about to face away from the good feelings of this post.
Chuck
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Paul Marsland

entsminger wrote:
Landau wrote:
OK - Landau Arm (OK - I Know it Doesn't Make Me Healthier)

==Scott==
Nice arm shot Landau! That coupled with the picture of you that I think is in Dardens, Landau lifts large thread paints a better picture of you! Thanks! I know it may not make you heathier but it does show you gotta alot more guts than some on here!This is a great start. Let's keep the pictures/videos coming guys!!

Plese forgive me if you've posted a picture of yourself in the past and I've missed it but so far as I remember only Bio, Franco, Jeff, 5153015,Tomislav and Acer, Ithink thereforIam and these recent two, Ashort and Landau have ever posted any pictures or video's of them selves. How about the rest of you guys?????

Coach Jeff
Sgb2112
Dan the man
Yes
Paul
Marcrph
Wayne
Coomo
Nautilus 1975
Dr. fist
Wesh
Michael
Ft. collinsfan
Chasbari
Mr. Strong
Hitit
Iron goose
Kurtvf
Especially --Southbeach--
Simon
Physcult
lesterware
RYO
Bill
Benny
Ron 33
Tbone
Steve
5153015
New yorker
Yorchyna
Trvis

etc etc etc.......

Come on guys, you can do it!!


Scott, both myself and my brother have posted plenty of pictures and videos on here so I have no need to post any further..

Thanks

Paul.





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Michael Petrella

Ontario, CAN

Hello Scott,

Paul and Coomo have video's up on youtube.
Physcult and Lesterware have both posted photo's and both have amazing gyms.
s153015 is Richard Chartland and has a 700+ post thread on here showing pictures of all his changes over the past year.
Kurtvf and Jim Mcbride have both met me in person. Even had the pleasure of having Jim up when I was working out.
Wayne even has a faceless video on youtube.
If you want to see me, search for my name on T-Nation (Darden's parent site)
Much bigger pictures permitted.
Actually most guys on your list I have seen a picture of or had the pleasure of meeting.

Only call out I remember is people asking to see a picture of Wayne after his vacation and southbeach.

It would still be nice if you could come to Richards HIT conference so you can meet everyone in person.

Michael
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