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kurtvf

Which of the early Nautilus machines is it easiest to work out using the whole weight stack?? Which is hardest? I am closest on the Duo Hip and back, compound leg, Super Duo Squat, and Gen II pullover. I am no where near on the double chest...
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BennyAnthonyOfKC

Missouri, USA


This is a favorite subject of mine, because I think it is to the discredit of nearly all selectorized-machines lack a way to easily add more weight, after the weight-stack has been progressed to. Of course, some trainees are able to perform one-legged exercises in order to defeat such situations, but even one-legged is not enough for some people. Andrew Shortt alerted me to wrapping elastic-bands around the weight-stacks, but I never saw a photograph of his method.

For me, I always found it an annoyance that I could do the entire stack on leg-extension machines, whether by Nautilus or others, although I have never had the opportunity to train on a MedX LE.

The hardest has been their arm-machines, which always was surprising since I was very strong on FREE-WEIGHT EXERCISES FOR THE ARMS; of course, leverage factors, the action of particular cams, make comparisons between a machine and a free-weight exercise fruitless.

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southbeach

BennyAnthonyOfKC wrote:

This is a favorite subject of mine, because I think it is to the discredit of nearly all selectorized-machines lack a way to easily add more weight, after the weight-stack has been progressed to. Of course, some trainees are able to perform one-legged exercises in order to defeat such situations, but even one-legged is not enough for some people. Andrew Shortt alerted me to wrapping elastic-bands around the weight-stacks, but I never saw a photograph of his method.

For me, I always found it an annoyance that I could do the entire stack on leg-extension machines, whether by Nautilus or others, although I have never had the opportunity to train on a MedX LE.

The hardest has been their arm-machines, which always was surprising since I was very strong on FREE-WEIGHT EXERCISES FOR THE ARMS; of course, leverage factors, the action of particular cams, make comparisons between a machine and a free-weight exercise fruitless.



When I find I can do the entire stack I improve my form and that problem usually disappears.

The entire stack is a great place to look for ways of making the exercise harder not easier. My form really gets "tight" at that point.
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jmcb

Kurt
That super duo squat. Is that the 510# stack unit?
Jim
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Bill Sekerak

California, USA

BennyAnthonyOfKC wrote:

This is a favorite subject of mine, because I think it is to the discredit of nearly all selectorized-machines lack a way to easily add more weight, after the weight-stack has been progressed to. Of course, some trainees are able to perform one-legged exercises in order to defeat such situations, but even one-legged is not enough for some people. Andrew Shortt alerted me to wrapping elastic-bands around the weight-stacks, but I never saw a photograph of his method.

For me, I always found it an annoyance that I could do the entire stack on leg-extension machines, whether by Nautilus or others, although I have never had the opportunity to train on a MedX LE.

The hardest has been their arm-machines, which always was surprising since I was very strong on FREE-WEIGHT EXERCISES FOR THE ARMS; of course, leverage factors, the action of particular cams, make comparisons between a machine and a free-weight exercise fruitless.



It is possible to "pin " extra plates to the stack with an extra pin. I used this with the leg extension while doing NA and it worked very well.
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kurtvf

jmcb wrote:
Kurt
That super duo squat. Is that the 510# stack unit?
Jim



Yep. Duo Squat=410 lbs.
Super Duo Squat=510 lbs.
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jmcb

Kurt
Using the stack on that bad boy is an accomplishment! Bill Casto just set up the regular unit in his showroom. There is no akinetic bar on that model. I was thinking about using a magnetic base to jury rig an improvised akinetic bar. Could you measure yours and let me know the overall length? Thanks.
Best Wishes
Jim
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markh

for me the easiest was the leg extension and was solved by adding additional weights to the stack by using pins from other machines . The hardest by far was the old style abdominal machine when done correctly (ie: using the abdominal muscles and not pulling down with your arms) . I never got anywhere near doing the stack on this.

Mark H
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jastrain

kurtvf wrote:
jmcb wrote:
Kurt
That super duo squat. Is that the 510# stack unit?
Jim


Yep. Duo Squat=410 lbs.
Super Duo Squat=510 lbs.


wow i have a 510 as well--never knew it was a [super]dou squat--
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jastrain

markh wrote:
for me the easiest was the leg extension and was solved by adding additional weights to the stack by using pins from other machines . The hardest by far was the old style abdominal machine when done correctly (ie: using the abdominal muscles and not pulling down with your arms) . I never got anywhere near doing the stack on this.

Mark H


the ohp on the 2nd gen nautilus was always very difficult to get even a respectable weight let alone the whole stack--but, then again i have always used this in a pre-exhaust fashion
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Nautilus1975

I used to stack all the machines Kurt mentioned as well as the AB1 with a 220 pound guy standing on the stack....


Those were great days -

Many of the 2nd gen stuff - the arm cross, the low back, over head press, etc. were easily stacked and played with -

The single arm cross we used to try to get the stack a little airborn on the postive from closing the movement arms so quickly ;-)


Those were great days

I can still stack a few of them - the 2ST dip unit without even seat belting in ;-)
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

BennyAnthonyOfKC wrote:

This is a favorite subject of mine, because I think it is to the discredit of nearly all selectorized-machines lack a way to easily add more weight, after the weight-stack has been progressed to. Of course, some trainees are able to perform one-legged exercises in order to defeat such situations, but even one-legged is not enough for some people. Andrew Shortt alerted me to wrapping elastic-bands around the weight-stacks, but I never saw a photograph of his method.

For me, I always found it an annoyance that I could do the entire stack on leg-extension machines, whether by Nautilus or others, although I have never had the opportunity to train on a MedX LE.

The hardest has been their arm-machines, which always was surprising since I was very strong on FREE-WEIGHT EXERCISES FOR THE ARMS; of course, leverage factors, the action of particular cams, make comparisons between a machine and a free-weight exercise fruitless.



==Scott==
Oh god yes, if I could only find a way to add more weight to my Nautilus weight stacks I could finally get a better workout, har dee har har. Come on even. I'm not saying I'm strong by any means but I can only use about half of any of the machines stack.The only person I ever knew who could come close to using the whole stack on any Nautilus machine was Mike Mentzer. I watched him do almost the entire weight stack on most machines while I used 1/4 of it or even less.Southbeach, you say you can use the whole stack on some Nautilus machine? I really gotta see that! You must look like Levrone. If you guys are using the whole weight stack on just about any Nautilus machine then you are a hell of alot stronger than I imagined any of you were. Let's see some video of any of you using the whole stack on a Nautilus machine.
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BennyAnthonyOfKC

Missouri, USA



***** TO SCOTT *****


Here is the ultimate answer, not just the short-term fix of pinning weight or adding elastic-bands, RETROFIT FROM UNDERNEATH YOUR MACHINES AN ENTIRE PLATFORM WITH THE BOTTOM OF THE WEIGHT-STACK ATTACHED TO AREA FOR FREE-WEIGHTS; OR, BETTER YET, DESIGN AN OLYMPIC-BAR WITHIN THE PLATFORM AT THE BOTTOM OF THE WEIGHT-STACK, albeit it might be best to add a tracking of sorts, or cable, to suspend the opposite side of the olympic-bar.



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jastrain

entsminger wrote:
BennyAnthonyOfKC wrote:

This is a favorite subject of mine, because I think it is to the discredit of nearly all selectorized-machines lack a way to easily add more weight, after the weight-stack has been progressed to. Of course, some trainees are able to perform one-legged exercises in order to defeat such situations, but even one-legged is not enough for some people. Andrew Shortt alerted me to wrapping elastic-bands around the weight-stacks, but I never saw a photograph of his method.

For me, I always found it an annoyance that I could do the entire stack on leg-extension machines, whether by Nautilus or others, although I have never had the opportunity to train on a MedX LE.

The hardest has been their arm-machines, which always was surprising since I was very strong on FREE-WEIGHT EXERCISES FOR THE ARMS; of course, leverage factors, the action of particular cams, make comparisons between a machine and a free-weight exercise fruitless.



==Scott==
Oh god yes, if I could only find a way to add more weight to my Nautilus weight stacks I could finally get a better workout, har dee har har. Come on even. I'm not saying I'm strong by any means but I can only use about half of any of the machines stack.The only person I ever knew who could come close to using the whole stack on any Nautilus machine was Mike Mentzer. I watched him do almost the entire weight stack on most machines while I used 1/4 of it or even less.Southbeach, you say you can use the whole stack on some Nautilus machine? I really gotta see that! You must look like Levrone. If you guys are using the whole weight stack on just about any Nautilus machine then you are a hell of alot stronger than I imagined any of you were. Let's see some video of any of you using the whole stack on a Nautilus machine.


the newer nautilus machines like the nitro are much lighter than the 1 and 2s.i can stack most of these machines for 7-8 reps with a 2/4 cadence.i have to go very slow on the pullover.i slow down to a 5/5 so i dont go over 10 reps with the whole stack
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Al Coleman

Ohio, USA

southbeach wrote:


When I find I can do the entire stack I improve my form and that problem usually disappears.

The entire stack is a great place to look for ways of making the exercise harder not easier. My form really gets "tight" at that point.


This an extremely important point. If there were a way to detect your form, meaning extraneous tensions, etc.. when you first started training on any given machine, I think most would find that they are using way more than the target muscle when they gain the ability to stack it. Josh Trentine's first interview alludes to this.

Al

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Michael Petrella

Ontario, CAN

As someone mentioned the 2st and some of the newer Nautilus machines are much easier to stack.

I Have stacked the overhead press for 8 reps on the double shoulder. I stacked the 1st gen leg extension and the 2nd gen with the 250 stack, not the 400 stack.

I got close on the 1st gen pullover but don't think I officially did it.
Most people can stack the low back with the 250 on it. Also the multi exercise with the stack for calf raises is done by many.

I watched Alex Fee almost stack with one arm the cross on the double chest. It's his goal to do so.
I'll bet he does for the HIT Conference.

Michael
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

Michael Petrella wrote:
As someone mentioned the 2st and some of the newer Nautilus machines are much easier to stack.

I Have stacked the overhead press for 8 reps on the double shoulder. I stacked the 1st gen leg extension and the 2nd gen with the 250 stack, not the 400 stack.

I got close on the 1st gen pullover but don't think I officially did it.
Most people can stack the low back with the 250 on it. Also the multi exercise with the stack for calf raises is done by many.

I watched Alex Fee almost stack with one arm the cross on the double chest. It's his goal to do so.
I'll bet he does for the HIT Conference.

Michael


==Scott==
You're a big fellow Michael, I can believe it when you say what you can do. Most if not all my Nautilus machines have 250 pound stacks. Here's the meager weights I can use. Double chest I might press 8 reps with 140--150 ?The peck dec part I might do 8x50 ? Double shoulder, overhead press I might do 8x110, 40 lbs x 8 on plate loading curl. 150--160 x 8 on super pullover. 70x 8 on Nautilus tricep extension. Lower back I might use 190 for 8--12 reps. 80 x 12 on multi machine for wrist curls. 60x 12 for rear delt. 110 x 12 Nautilus laterals. You guys who say you can do the whole stack are mighty strong!
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kurtvf

jmcb wrote:
Kurt
Using the stack on that bad boy is an accomplishment! Bill Casto just set up the regular unit in his showroom. There is no akinetic bar on that model. I was thinking about using a magnetic base to jury rig an improvised akinetic bar. Could you measure yours and let me know the overall length? Thanks.
Best Wishes
Jim


I think it is 16". I got the measurement from Big Mike so maybe he can chime in. It is 3/4 cold rolled steel. If you want a drawing of the piece used to hold the bar (it would be quite simple to fabricate) or I could let you borrow mine to have a duplicate made let me know. I'm 50 miles West of you down the Thruway.....

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BennyAnthonyOfKC

Missouri, USA

ABOUT FORM.......

One of the reasons that I was an advocate of SuperSlow, and I am still an advocate for SuperSlow Repetitions for beginners and those injured, is FORM IS OF THE UTMOST CONCERN. Without SuperSlow Repetitions, over time, micro-expressions of grimacing, gripping and et cetera become more and more pronounced.

Currently, I know that I am nowhere near up to the challenge, although I was able to do 250-pounds (the entire stack) of a Next Genraton Leg Extension with perfect SuperSlow Repetitions totaling well more than twelve. I might have considered doing them one-legged, but the bite into my shins was so great that I became frsitrated with the whole affair; thus, this ruined my PROGRESSION, which some discount its importance, but I still think progression is extremely important.
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lesterware

Simply slow down the reps or use a pin and add plates. On my Gen l Super Slow Pullover I took a 350lb stack from
a Seriees lll Torso arm. Plenty of Resistance and somewhere out there are 20lb Nautilus Plates.
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jmcb

Kurt
Thanks for your offer. I'm going to use a magnetic indicator base and the 16" dim for now. I'm not sure if Bill intends for this to be a "keeper". So I don't want to do anything permanent for now. I'm not sure giving Bill the oppertunity to use that on me is wise. It could be trouble. Bill has mentioned doing a road trip visit to see your setup.
Jim
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Waynes

Switzerland

entsminger wrote:
Let's see some video of any of you using the whole stack on a Nautilus machine.


Yes let us see some videos.

As some said I could not do 80 x 30, 90 x 15 and 110 x 10 on the second generation nautilus pullover , ONE handed, but posted a to prove it.

Its all far too simple to add weight to any machine you max or for reps, just pin a 1, 5, 10 or 50 pound plate to the stack, or even two 50 pound plates.

Wayne

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jastrain

lesterware wrote:
Simply slow down the reps or use a pin and add plates. On my Gen l Super Slow Pullover I took a 350lb stack from
a Seriees lll Torso arm. Plenty of Resistance and somewhere out there are 20lb Nautilus Plates.


why would you take weight from a series 3 --the series 111. the series 111 was the best pullover ever built with the sealed, heavy duty, bearings???to put that weight stack on aseries 1 seeems weird?
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Nautilus1975

entsminger wrote:
==Scott==
Oh god yes, if I could only find a way to add more weight to my Nautilus weight stacks I could finally get a better workout, har dee har har. Come on even. I'm not saying I'm strong by any means but I can only use about half of any of the machines stack.The only person I ever knew who could come close to using the whole stack on any Nautilus machine was Mike Mentzer. I watched him do almost the entire weight stack on most machines while I used 1/4 of it or even less.Southbeach, you say you can use the whole stack on some Nautilus machine? I really gotta see that! You must look like Levrone. If you guys are using the whole weight stack on just about any Nautilus machine then you are a hell of alot stronger than I imagined any of you were. Let's see some video of any of you using the whole stack on a Nautilus machine.



Not only could I stack the ones mentioned but also had a heavy guy stand on some of the stacks like the AB1.

I don't know why some think that machine was hard, it seemed like one of the easier ones to me -

Mentzer could stack the Double Chest in the pec fly ROM - I never could, but could he bench 400 for reps? I don't know if he could but I sure did...and not on the juice either....Many of the NFL players I was working out with at the time could easily bench 500, but couldn't stack some of the machines...


I could stack the single behind neck press, but not the double shoulder one - Mike says he can - well mike is a little bit taller than me, but about 30 pounds lighter and not nearly as muscular as I was. I have a fairly long reach for my height, but would imagine his is still longer how he can lift that heavy from that position is just one of those things - maybe the seat was low?>

If you can't stack the OME for calves or the Low Back with good form I don't know what to tell ya....

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Nautilus1975

Waynes wrote:
entsminger wrote:
Let's see some video of any of you using the whole stack on a Nautilus machine.

Yes let us see some videos.

As some said I could not do 80 x 30, 90 x 15 and 110 x 10 on the second generation nautilus pullover , ONE handed, but posted a to prove it.

Its all far too simple to add weight to any machine you max or for reps, just pin a 1, 5, 10 or 50 pound plate to the stack, or even two 50 pound plates.

Wayne


When I saw those videos I went out in the garage and did 8 plates, on the same machine (no bearings on that one), cold, out of shape and without any training for the previous 6 months just to see how hard it was - it wasn't that hard and I am old and beat up.....I did stop after one arm tho cause I didn't want to cramp my upper back....
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