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BennyAnthonyOfKC

Missouri, USA

First, before some stupido complains that this has nothing to do with weight-training, WILL YOU, PLEASE, SIGN-UP FOR ESTROGEN SHOTS? Lets see if that helps or hurts your attempts at weight-loss and/or muscle-growth. Now, enlightened readers can read on.

Today, WebMD released an article to reassure us that BIRTH-CONTROL PILLS NOT A MAJOR SOURCE OF ESTROGEN IN THE WATER SUPPLY. The key word phrase being NOT A MAJOR SOURCE. While I am not an AQUA-phobe, as I know people that filter their water, and I'm not talking about residents of lead-pipe areas.

Nevertheless, the thesis that I have been employing is that with all the estrogenic substances used in plastics, foods, common products for hair and skin, as simple as lavendar that the FDA released a warning that gynecomastia in pre-teen boys was being observed, and et cetera, THE ESTROGENICS ADD-UP OVER TIME.

Also, I have been working under the thesis that boys look less manly than they once did, and take longer to mature, which may or may not be a good thing, since Asian-males often look like boys into their 30s and Asian-males typically have longer lifespans than other ethnicities. However, the point is that foreign-substances are ever increasing, which this is not what originally caused Asian-males to have their youthfulness, if that is the appropriate word.

And, what about women that forget to check if they are pregantn, and all the while continue to use BIRTH-CONTROLL PILLS, months into their pregnancy?

(I want to thank the moderator that re-named my posting from, simply, ESTROGENS to that of ESTROGENS ADD UP, which is an improvement. Thank you and Merry Christmas!)



SOUCES:

http://women.webmd.com/...in-water-supply
BIRTH-CONTROLL PILLS


http://www.webmd.com/...nt-found-butter
FLAME-RETARDANT FOUND IN BUTTER

http://www.webmd.com/...ney-study-finds
BPA, RECEIPTS & MONEY


http://en.wikipedia.org/...wiki/Bitch_tits
BITCH TITS

http://blogs.webmd.com/...ys-and-men.html
LAVENDER


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jrm850


You can have you estrogen (estradiol E2) level checked at LEF dot Org for $44.

E2 has a significant effect on our quality of life and is a major part of a good Hormone replacement program.

The goal is a level between 20-25. If it is higher, it can easily be controlled with an aromatase inhibitor.
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southbeach

every man has estrogen too, and it's actually a very important hormone for muscle, strength and longevity. do your homework!
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BennyAnthonyOfKC

Missouri, USA

SouthBleach, just when you were behaving yourself... testosterone is in women, do your homework! The point is that men do NOT want too much estrogen and, for that matter, women, do NOT want too much tesosterone, unless they want to appear on THE HOWARD STERN SHOW to have their DNA checked that is a running gag of that show.
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fbcoach

It's the E2s that are the main culprit. And actually, it is the ratio of bio-available testosterone to estrogen.
Going too low in estrogen can be as bad as too high. As another poster mentioned, your E2 should be within a specific range.
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jrm850

http://tnation.T-Nation.com/...you_should_care

This is a good primer about E2
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krazy kaju

I agree with SB on this one. Estrogen is an important hormone for males and females. Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/...trogen#Function

In order to live a healthy, happy, and productive life, you need to have all of your hormones in BALANCE. Not too much, not too little.
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BennyAnthonyOfKC

Missouri, USA

TO: krazy kaju
SUBJECT: "I agree with SB on this one."

You have lost focus and, perhaps, "SB" too, as WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ESTROGEN FROM FOREIGN SOURCES, not eradicating the natural estrogen that belongs in each human body, no matter their sex. But, hey, if you want extra estrogen, TAKE SOME BIRTH-CONTROL PILLS, because that is how TRANNIES STAY TRANNY-LIKE IN PRISON, according to the show on MSNBC called LOCK-UP!

By the way, "krazy kaju", TRUTH is not a democracy, you cannot vote it into existence, or out of existence. The facts about estrogen above are not opinion, they are just that FACTS, although where opinion exists is how much we should be concerned about foreign-estrogens entering our bodies, but there is no doubt that there is concern with the amount of warnings coming from the scientific-community. Compared to other concerns from science, this concern is testable, because we know TOO MUCH ESTROGEN can actually cause cancer.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27...

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Tony Williams

Benny,

Long time ... no see.

Thanks for the post. Just started reading.

Tony
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Joshua Trentine

Ohio, USA

Believe me, you don't want any exogenous estrogen.

NONE.

Joshua
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RW Hawk

Virgin Islands

fbcoach wrote:
Going too low in estrogen can be as bad as too high.


Trazy,

Nice of you to pop-in on Benny's thread. You are like the human version of a pop-up ad.

Not surprisingly, though, you are completely ignoring another thread by Benny in which your name was mentioned. I believe the title is "Where is Mitochondrial Proof?" or something to that effect.

BTW, have you seen your latest post on bitterhitter?

LOL

It's in the latest thread by that con artist known as CassyBoy.
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Tomislav

New York, USA

fbcoach wrote:
Going too low in estrogen can be as bad as too high.

Coach,
Don't think this is an issue for anyone. Consider this:
Since soya (an estrace that converts directly to Estradiol-B) was introduced and added to most foods in the supermarket, T levels have dropped nation wide and it's no longer expected a man should produce 10 MG of testosterone a day, which is necessary if one has any ambition to put a lot of muscle on naturally.
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krazy kaju

BennyAnthonyOfKC wrote:
TO: krazy kaju
SUBJECT: "I agree with SB on this one."

You have lost focus and, perhaps, "SB" too, as WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ESTROGEN FROM FOREIGN SOURCES, not eradicating the natural estrogen that belongs in each human body, no matter their sex. But, hey, if you want extra estrogen, TAKE SOME BIRTH-CONTROL PILLS, because that is how TRANNIES STAY TRANNY-LIKE IN PRISON, according to the show on MSNBC called LOCK-UP!

By the way, "krazy kaju", TRUTH is not a democracy, you cannot vote it into existence, or out of existence. The facts about estrogen above are not opinion, they are just that FACTS, although where opinion exists is how much we should be concerned about foreign-estrogens entering our bodies, but there is no doubt that there is concern with the amount of warnings coming from the scientific-community. Compared to other concerns from science, this concern is testable, because we know TOO MUCH ESTROGEN can actually cause cancer.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27...



Benny,

Sorry if I came off wrong. I agree with you that exogenous estrogen is not something any man (or anyone interested in getting bigger/stronger, regardless of sex) should be consuming. I should have clarified that while it is bad to consume exogenous estrogen, it is also bad to unnecessarily target estrogen, e.g. by the use of estrogen-blocking drugs.
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jrm850

krazy kaju wrote:
I should have clarified that while it is bad to consume exogenous estrogen, it is also bad to unnecessarily target estrogen, e.g. by the use of estrogen-blocking drugs.


That is not necessarily true for everyone. Estrogen dominance in males leads to a hard cycle to break. Excess fat increases aromatase which leads to more fat, more aromatase and a vicious loop. High E2 will also lower your endogenous testosterone production because it plays a big part in our HPTA feedback loop.
Estrogen can bind with Testosterone receptor sites and prevent the testosterone from doing its job of gene expression. Like other posters have said, the ratio of free E2 to Free testosterone needs to be at a certain ratio since they are competing for cell receptor sites.
If someone has naturally high E2 or even excess environmental estrogens they are more likely to have prostate issues, man tits, increased visceral fat storage, and ED issues.
With that being said, you did specifically say "estrogen blocking drugs" which is a lot different than aromatase inhibitors. Estrogen blocking drugs prevent estrogen from binding with receptor sites while AIs prevent the conversion of testosterone to estrogen. I guess my point is that appropriately controlling conversion to E2 could be a godsend to some people and should not be confused with estrogen blockers or SERMs.

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fbcoach

Tomislav wrote:
fbcoach wrote:
Going too low in estrogen can be as bad as too high.
Coach,
Don't think this is an issue for anyone. Consider this:
Since soya (an estrace that converts directly to Estradiol-B) was introduced and added to most foods in the supermarket, T levels have dropped nation wide and it's no longer expected a man should produce 10 MG of testosterone a day, which is necessary if one has any ambition to put a lot of muscle on naturally.


Hey Tom,
It is for me. My E2 levels are way below norm. You would think this is a good thing, but not really. It is probably related to my neck/back surgery, and the effect on the adrenals and thyroid. My symptoms are slight dehydration (I drink at least 1 1/2 gallons of H2O/day) and soreness in connective tissue. I even eat 2 protein bars high in soy every day, along with Special K cereal (high in protein and soy). My SBGH levels are low, which causes Free Testosterone levels to be high and E2 levels to be low. This sounds like a good thing, but as you know, when talking about physiology, BALANCE is key.
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johnbhoy

Here's a study which should concern beer drinkers.
John.
http://dapatchy.com/...s/estrogen.html
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jrm850

fbcoach wrote:


Hey Tom,
It is for me. My E2 levels are way below norm. You would think this is a good thing, but not really. It is probably related to my neck/back surgery, and the effect on the adrenals and thyroid. My symptoms are slight dehydration (I drink at least 1 1/2 gallons of H2O/day) and soreness in connective tissue. I even eat 2 protein bars high in soy every day, along with Special K cereal (high in protein and soy). My SBGH levels are low, which causes Free Testosterone levels to be high and E2 levels to be low. This sounds like a good thing, but as you know, when talking about physiology, BALANCE is key.


Fbcoach, sorry to hear about your condition. For me it feels like instant old man when my E2 levels drop too far. I especially notice the joint issues when I first start to run; it takes a while get warmed up where I don't feel like I am going to break something. What are the treatment options to bring it back in normal range?

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southbeach

"Most people don't think about estrogen in men, but men actually have somewhat more estrogen on average than do postmenopausal women," says Reina Armamento-Villareal, M.D., assistant professor of medicine in the Division of Bone and Mineral Diseases and a bone specialist at Barnes-Jewish Hospital. She is senior author of a new study in the journal Calcified Tissue International.
http://www.medicalnewstoday.co...

God gave us beer! ;)
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fbcoach

jrm850 wrote:
fbcoach wrote:


Hey Tom,
It is for me. My E2 levels are way below norm. You would think this is a good thing, but not really. It is probably related to my neck/back surgery, and the effect on the adrenals and thyroid. My symptoms are slight dehydration (I drink at least 1 1/2 gallons of H2O/day) and soreness in connective tissue. I even eat 2 protein bars high in soy every day, along with Special K cereal (high in protein and soy). My SBGH levels are low, which causes Free Testosterone levels to be high and E2 levels to be low. This sounds like a good thing, but as you know, when talking about physiology, BALANCE is key.

Fbcoach, sorry to hear about your condition. For me it feels like instant old man when my E2 levels drop too far. I especially notice the joint issues when I first start to run; it takes a while get warmed up where I don't feel like I am going to break something. What are the treatment options to bring it back in normal range?



JRM850,
It is usually a thyroid and/or adrenal issue. Cortef (a mild steroid similar to pednisone) is used in small amounts, along with some type of thyroid med, such as Armour. There are so many different types of thyroid meds, you would really need a good Specialist to direct you to the right therapy. There are several therapies that could help, and honestly, it is so far above my own comprehension, knowledge, and experience, I would probably cause you more frustration than help.
I appreciate the empathy and can certainly empathize with what you are going thru. It sucks feeling like that. I would suggest staying hydrated and maybe having some blood work done.
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Robert Francis

New York, USA

That's it. I'm getting my estrogen levels checked for $44.00.
Caught myself crying while watching "Hunt for Red October".
z
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southbeach

zanderinst wrote:
That's it. I'm getting my estrogen levels checked for $44.00.
Caught myself crying while watching "Hunt for Red October".
z



rofl!
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Tomislav

New York, USA

fbcoach wrote:
Tomislav wrote:
fbcoach wrote:
Going too low in estrogen can be as bad as too high.
Coach,
Don't think this is an issue for anyone. Consider this:
Since soya (an estrace that converts directly to Estradiol-B) was introduced and added to most foods in the supermarket, T levels have dropped nation wide and it's no longer expected a man should produce 10 MG of testosterone a day, which is necessary if one has any ambition to put a lot of muscle on naturally.


Hey Tom,
It is for me. My E2 levels are way below norm. You would think this is a good thing, but not really. It is probably related to my neck/back surgery, and the effect on the adrenals and thyroid. My symptoms are slight dehydration (I drink at least 1 1/2 gallons of H2O/day) and soreness in connective tissue. I even eat 2 protein bars high in soy every day, along with Special K cereal (high in protein and soy). My SBGH levels are low, which causes Free Testosterone levels to be high and E2 levels to be low. This sounds like a good thing, but as you know, when talking about physiology, BALANCE is key.


coach,
that's interesting; perhaps your earlier use of testosterone resulted in a different kind of TRT; rebound therapy wherein free T levels are reset and so rebound to a higher level permanently.
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