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krazy kaju

So who are some natural pro bodybuilders and why don't we hear about them, their diets, their supplementation, and their training routines more often?

I only know of three natural pro bodybuilders: Joshua Trentine, Markus Reinhardt, and Layne Norton.

I know Josh is a fan of SuperSlow... Markus is a big fan of HIT splits similar to the ones found in Mentzer's Heavy Duty 1... And Layne Norton is more of a high volume guy.

I also know Dante Trudell (aka "Doggcrap") has claimed to train a few natty's and gotten them way up in strength and muscular bodyweight with his system of training called "DC Training," which is basically a HIT split with a few other additions (cardio, stretching, etc.).

Who are some other top pro nattys? How does their training look like? What's their diet look like? Where can I go to read more about these guys?

Thanks.
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Joshua Trentine

Ohio, USA

krazy kaju wrote:
So who are some natural pro bodybuilders and why don't we hear about them, their diets, their supplementation, and their training routines more often?

I only know of three natural pro bodybuilders: Joshua Trentine, Markus Reinhardt, and Layne Norton.

I know Josh is a fan of SuperSlow... Markus is a big fan of HIT splits similar to the ones found in Mentzer's Heavy Duty 1... And Layne Norton is more of a high volume guy.

I also know Dante Trudell (aka "Doggcrap") has claimed to train a few natty's and gotten them way up in strength and muscular bodyweight with his system of training called "DC Training," which is basically a HIT split with a few other additions (cardio, stretching, etc.).

Who are some other top pro nattys? How does their training look like? What's their diet look like? Where can I go to read more about these guys?

Thanks.




i'm very interested in this too, although i'm not convinced that all who advertise natural pro meet the "natural" part
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krazy kaju

How many other natural pros do you know, Josh? And how do they train/eat/etc.?
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Joshua Trentine

Ohio, USA

krazy kaju wrote:
How many other natural pros do you know, Josh? And how do they train/eat/etc.?


many.....


best i can figure opposite of me
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backtrack

Your'e a fool if you think Markus R. is natural.

Dan
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Turpin

British natural Jon Harris.

http://www.jonharris.com/

His video is quite good. Training is Very simple in terms of format ( sets/reps ) & approach to diet is sensible.

T.
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Tomislav

New York, USA

Kaju,
Josh and Layne are two of the largest natural bb's you will find; in terms of diet I would point out they both need to get fat in the offseason to keep building muscle thus consume plenty of food and a high fat diet which is very anabolic for a natural (Josh's diet even more so with all the raw food).

Marcus, despite being at an even more advanced level of development, does not need to get fat in the offseason; he can keep building muscle lean gaining which would be impossible if he were a natural athlete that size. I would be surprised if he is actually claiming natural status in a way that really means natural (sometimes natural means only a little bit of gear; whatever that is supposed to be).

I've heard and seen good things with DC and it's an interesting training philosophy but I think it still short changes recovery with it's attempt to shorten the recuperation period.
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pharaoh1063

krazy kaju wrote:
So who are some natural pro bodybuilders and why don't we hear about them, their diets, their supplementation, and their training routines more often?

Who are some other top pro nattys? How does their training look like? What's their diet look like? Where can I go to read more about these guys?

Thanks.


KK,

There are two major natural bodybuilding networks and they both put out a magazine of their own.

First, there is the WNBF. This is the organization that may be the most prestigious, I don't exactly know. Many IFBB bodybuilders have participated in the WNBF before leaving to add steroids and compete with the bigger boys. Most notable of these is Kai Greene. Several women such as Teresita Morales and Angela Mraz have started there and moved on to the IFBB. It seems to be a pathway for competitors to rack up a degree of experience while natural before going over to the "dark side."

They keep a tight rein on their competitors making them sign a quite restrictive contract as to where they can promote themselves and whom they can talk to (which also causes so many to leave). In return one may get coverage in their magazine. This is the magazine that is (or was) available at my local Border's bookstore.

Here's a link. http://www.wnbf.net/


The next is the OCB/NANBF network. They also put out a magazine of their own. As I understand it, they are much less restrictive in whom one can interview with and where one can compete.

Here's a link. http://thenaturalmusclenetwork...

Another organization that I have not included is the Musclemania organization. I hesitate to list these folks because they are known to have a looser drug testing policy, such that it is well known that many competitors are using, if only mildly.

And absolutely last on the list is the NPC, with the least stringent testing procedure, which crowns a national team champion which is supposed to be natural, (but nobody believes they are). They then move on to the World Championships that used to be the Amateur Mr. Universe contest, which is also supposed to be natural. Henceforth, Ronnie Coleman and Kai Greene, both winners of this contest, were supposed to be natural when they turned pro. If you can read that last sentence without laughing, you are a better actor than I'll ever be!

Natural Mr. Olympia, John Hansen has his own internet radio broadcast where he interviews popular natural bodybuilders

Here's a link. http://naturalbodybuildingradi...
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Joshua Trentine

Ohio, USA

Turpin wrote:
British natural Jon Harris.

http://www.jonharris.com/

His video is quite good. Training is Very simple in terms of format ( sets/reps ) & approach to diet is sensible.

T.



one of my favorite natural physiques
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Joshua Trentine

Ohio, USA

pharaoh1063 wrote:
krazy kaju wrote:
So who are some natural pro bodybuilders and why don't we hear about them, their diets, their supplementation, and their training routines more often?

Who are some other top pro nattys? How does their training look like? What's their diet look like? Where can I go to read more about these guys?

Thanks.

KK,

There are two major natural bodybuilding networks and they both put out a magazine of their own.

First, there is the WNBF. This is the organization that may be the most prestigious, I don't exactly know. Many IFBB bodybuilders have participated in the WNBF before leaving to add steroids and compete with the bigger boys. Most notable of these is Kai Greene. Several women such as Teresita Morales and Angela Mraz have started there and moved on to the IFBB. It seems to be a pathway for competitors to rack up a degree of experience while natural before going over to the "dark side."

They keep a tight rein on their competitors making them sign a quite restrictive contract as to where they can promote themselves and whom they can talk to (which also causes so many to leave). In return one may get coverage in their magazine. This is the magazine that is (or was) available at my local Border's bookstore.

Here's a link. http://www.wnbf.net/


The next is the OCB/NANBF network. They also put out a magazine of their own. As I understand it, they are much less restrictive in whom one can interview with and where one can compete.

Here's a link. http://thenaturalmusclenetwork...

Another organization that I have not included is the Musclemania organization. I hesitate to list these folks because they are known to have a looser drug testing policy, such that it is well known that many competitors are using, if only mildly.

And absolutely last on the list is the NPC, with the least stringent testing procedure, which crowns a national team champion which is supposed to be natural, (but nobody believes they are). They then move on to the World Championships that used to be the Amateur Mr. Universe contest, which is also supposed to be natural. Henceforth, Ronnie Coleman and Kai Greene, both winners of this contest, were supposed to be natural when they turned pro. If you can read that last sentence without laughing, you are a better actor than I'll ever be!

Natural Mr. Olympia, John Hansen has his own internet radio broadcast where he interviews popular natural bodybuilders

Here's a link. http://naturalbodybuildingradi...



nice synopsis but you left out a number of organizations....i know it all turns out to be an alphabet soup at some point
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pharaoh1063

Joshua Trentine wrote:
nice synopsis but you left out a number of organizations....i know it all turns out to be an alphabet soup at some point


I thought I might have.

Could please list them (or just the best ones) in the order of prestige? I have not been able to find out who most natties feel is the "king of us all" in the same way that we all feel that the Mr. O is.
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Lioncourt

krazy kaju wrote:
Who are some other top pro nattys? How does their training look like? What's their diet look like? Where can I go to read more about these guys?

Thanks.


Tommy Jeffries is one of Lane's pals and is a natural pro. A lot of the male fitness models on the cover of magazines will compete in competitions and one could reasonably believe are natural. I think Greg Plitt has a great physique for someone that is more model than bodybuilder.

Hopefully the IFBB Men's Physique Division will open up some new opportunities. Some of the guys have really impressive physiques, even if you don't agree with all of the division rules. You could argue how natural a lot of them are, but they are much closer to reality of what can be achieved without drugs versus the guys on the main Olympia stage.
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eintology

California, USA

Joshua Trentine wrote:

i'm not convinced that all who advertise natural pro meet the "natural" part



For this forum's purposes, the politically correct associations aside, this would most assuredly be the understatement of the year.

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eintology

California, USA


So who are some natural pro bodybuilders

?

Markus Reinhardt

Markus is a big fan of HIT splits similar to the ones found in Mentzer's Heavy Duty 1.


Really. This should earn him a free seasonal pass on the ski lift, and first chair in the violin section, as well.

I mean, I like the guy too, no reason to have anything against him, but I don't care if he's a fan of dance of Ghana, if these are supposed to be serving to illustrate the best examples of what's considered natural, then all baseball bats are made of beryllium.

But, just so long as he digs Mike Mentzer, what else is there; we'll make for some special allowances, shade the grading scale just a tad, and then read an Ayn Rand book and talk of the value of objectivity.

Ever so adept, so quick to point the finger at Hugh Jackman, with accusations alleging him of of steroid use, and categorizing him along those lines; even though, with favorable genetics himself, role ready, he's not even remotely close to where any of these people being acceptably labeled as "natural" are at.
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gerry-hitman

Tomislav wrote:
Kaju,
Josh and Layne are two of the largest natural bb's you will find; in terms of diet I would point out they both need to get fat in the offseason


LOL.

Is this true Josh?
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lildrummerboy80

krazy kaju wrote:
So who are some natural pro bodybuilders and why don't we hear about them, their diets, their supplementation, and their training routines more often?

I only know of three natural pro bodybuilders: Joshua Trentine, Markus Reinhardt, and Layne Norton.

I know Josh is a fan of SuperSlow... Markus is a big fan of HIT splits similar to the ones found in Mentzer's Heavy Duty 1... And Layne Norton is more of a high volume guy.

I also know Dante Trudell (aka "Doggcrap") has claimed to train a few natty's and gotten them way up in strength and muscular bodyweight with his system of training called "DC Training," which is basically a HIT split with a few other additions (cardio, stretching, etc.).

Who are some other top pro nattys? How does their training look like? What's their diet look like? Where can I go to read more about these guys?

Thanks.


Jeff Willet, huge and natural.
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Joshua Trentine

Ohio, USA

gerry-hitman wrote:
Tomislav wrote:
Kaju,
Josh and Layne are two of the largest natural bb's you will find; in terms of diet I would point out they both need to get fat in the offseason


LOL.

Is this true Josh?



Naw...

I haven't been on a Professional stage since 2008....but at that time i would say i was one of the smallest PROs...we can argue all day if these guys are REALLY clean, but regardless they were mostly much larger than me.

David Landau judges at the NGA Pro Universe every year, he might be able to chime in.
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krazy kaju

See a lot of folks here hating on Markus for using steroids... while at the same time, I haven't seen a SHRED of evidence that he uses them.
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Joshua Trentine

Ohio, USA

lildrummerboy80 wrote:
krazy kaju wrote:
So who are some natural pro bodybuilders and why don't we hear about them, their diets, their supplementation, and their training routines more often?

I only know of three natural pro bodybuilders: Joshua Trentine, Markus Reinhardt, and Layne Norton.

I know Josh is a fan of SuperSlow... Markus is a big fan of HIT splits similar to the ones found in Mentzer's Heavy Duty 1... And Layne Norton is more of a high volume guy.

I also know Dante Trudell (aka "Doggcrap") has claimed to train a few natty's and gotten them way up in strength and muscular bodyweight with his system of training called "DC Training," which is basically a HIT split with a few other additions (cardio, stretching, etc.).

Who are some other top pro nattys? How does their training look like? What's their diet look like? Where can I go to read more about these guys?

Thanks.

Jeff Willet, huge and natural.




i've never seen him enter a show in a natural org....perhaps he just "prefers" to compete w/ the assisted
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Joshua Trentine

Ohio, USA

eintology wrote:
Joshua Trentine wrote:

i'm not convinced that all who advertise natural pro meet the "natural" part


For this forum's purposes, the politically correct associations aside, this would most assuredly be the understatement of the year.




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krazy kaju

Turpin wrote:
British natural Jon Harris.

http://www.jonharris.com/

His video is quite good. Training is Very simple in terms of format ( sets/reps ) & approach to diet is sensible.

T.


Cool, thanks for the link, I'll look into him.

eintology wrote:

So who are some natural pro bodybuilders

?

Markus Reinhardt

Markus is a big fan of HIT splits similar to the ones found in Mentzer's Heavy Duty 1.

Really. This should earn him a free seasonal pass on the ski lift, and first chair in the violin section, as well.

I mean, I like the guy too, no reason to have anything against him, but I don't care if he's a fan of dance of Ghana, if these are supposed to be serving to illustrate the best examples of what's considered natural, then all baseball bats are made of beryllium.

But, just so long as he digs Mike Mentzer, what else is there; we'll make for some special allowances, shade the grading scale just a tad, and then read an Ayn Rand book and talk of the value of objectivity.

Ever so adept, so quick to point the finger at Hugh Jackman, with accusations alleging him of of steroid use, and categorizing him along those lines; even though, with favorable genetics himself, role ready, he's not even remotely close to where any of these people being acceptably labeled as "natural" are at.


LOL, next time don't try to speak of concepts beyond your understanding.

lildrummerboy80 wrote:

Jeff Willet, huge and natural.


Thanks for pointing this guy out, he's jacked! http://www.youtube.com/...h?v=yXIChcwjV_c
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Lioncourt

krazy kaju wrote:
See a lot of folks here hating on Markus for using steroids... while at the same time, I haven't seen a SHRED of evidence that he uses them.


I have links to another BBing forum that won't make it through moderation here where he admits it. Just Google "Markus Reinhard steroids" and you'll find it.
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krazy kaju

Lioncourt wrote:
krazy kaju wrote:
See a lot of folks here hating on Markus for using steroids... while at the same time, I haven't seen a SHRED of evidence that he uses them.

I have links to another BBing forum that won't make it through moderation here where he admits it. Just Google "Markus Reinhard steroids" and you'll find it.


I've already read the posts in question a long time ago... And the facts are that he used to use steroids way back when, then he got gyno, then he stopped, got surgery to remove the gyno for thousands of dollars, and never used again. Sounds like a good advertisement on why not to use steroids. Furthermore, everyone with half a brain knows that you lose your gains after using steroids, so I don't think it's legitimate to disqualify someone like him from natural bodybuilding.

BTW, for anyone interested, there is an interview with Markus on High Intensity Nation.
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Joshua Trentine

Ohio, USA

Of course we have the issue of Natural for the show and lifetime natural

It's never going to be a level playing ground...you just have to take it or leave it...I think the shows need to be about improving compared to your last comp anyway...I don't really see BB as a competition against others
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Tomislav

New York, USA

krazy kaju wrote:
Lioncourt wrote:
krazy kaju wrote:
See a lot of folks here hating on Markus for using steroids... while at the same time, I haven't seen a SHRED of evidence that he uses them.

I have links to another BBing forum that won't make it through moderation here where he admits it. Just Google "Markus Reinhard steroids" and you'll find it.

I've already read the posts in question a long time ago... And the facts are that he used to use steroids way back when, then he got gyno, then he stopped, got surgery to remove the gyno for thousands of dollars, and never used again. Sounds like a good advertisement on why not to use steroids. Furthermore, everyone with half a brain knows that you lose your gains after using steroids, so I don't think it's legitimate to disqualify someone like him from natural bodybuilding.

BTW, for anyone interested, there is an interview with Markus on High Intensity Nation.


Kaju,
I was not hating on Markus, just had the impression he was still using - there is a thread on bodybuilding.com where he claims to have not used them since '96.

To be fair his pic in the thread appears more natural than previously but it's clear he was still using them at least 5 years later than claimed as per the training video he made with Mentzer.

MR also attributes his current level of natural development to previous steroid use; can't get there from here.
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