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Joseph Anderson

Joshua Trentine wrote:
btw for anyone who knows bodybuilding the two lat spreads being compared above produce very different affects

one is done by flexing the abs the other is done vacuuming the abs the appearance of the surrounding musculature will be very different even if the photos are done back to back by the same person on the same day...we have two different poses.


yup
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Joshua Trentine

Ohio, USA

i would imagine my proof is conclusive...i have no more interest in this board...i haven't since the RenEx thread was closed due to too much volume.

i thought i could casually post on a subject that i'm very knowledgeable about without being harassed.

because of the complaints from the vocal mob i dropped the RenEx stuff...i really don't need the aggravation....nor do i need this crap....i will not tolerate it and i'm surprised this behavior is acceptable or interesting to anyone...personally its dead for me ....don't need the negativity ....i don't need the crap....its just disgusting .
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krazy kaju

Turpin wrote:
krazy kaju wrote:
Turpin wrote:
Joshua Trentine wrote:
lildrummerboy80 wrote:
Anybody know of any natural pro's using full body or any variation of hit at all?


Me and Markus Reinhart are the only ones i know for sure.

Joshua

I've thought of starting a site for HIT bodybuilders, i'm curious how many are really out there.

He said NATURAL Hitters Trentine.

Markhus has already admitted steroid use , and you have gyno.

T.


Wow T, I used to have a lot of respect for you, but I just lost it all.

Markus is not a lifetime natural, but he is natural now. If anything, we should be impressed with his physical development considering that he's quite old for bodybuilding and that his natural testosterone production is probably suppressed.

As for Trentine's gyno... can you provide proof? And can you rule out the slight natural gyno that many men have?

How do you know Markhus is `natural` now ? ... have you access in his personal affairs ?

Trentine ? ... see pic above.

Pic left when he won his pro-card ( looking very muscular ), pic right 2 yrs later , less muscular and with gyno on his left nipple & he hasnt competed since.

Personally KK I dont seek approval or respect from anyone , so your loss of such in me is neither here nor there.

T.

ETA ; The above is my opinion of Trentine`s so called natural status based on experience , much like Trentine & `Twiggy`s` ability to spot drug use ( as posted in the Ren-Ex thread re; myself :)


No, I do not have personal access to Markus. But do you? Can you describe to me, in detail, his steroid cycles?

Let me assure you that you cannot. You are accusing people who are drug tested of using steroids.

What makes this even more ridiculous is that Markus has admitted to using steroids in the past, before he started competing as a natural. He really has no incentive to start lying now.

As for Trentine... that is NOT gyno. LOL at you if you really think that is.
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summaHIT

Ontario, CAN

Joshua Trentine wrote:
i would imagine my proof is conclusive...i have no more interest in this board...i haven't since the RenEx thread was closed due to too much volume.

i thought i could casually post on a subject that i'm very knowledgeable about without being harassed.

because of the complaints from the vocal mob i dropped the RenEx stuff...i really don't need the aggravation....nor do i need this crap....i will not tolerate it and i'm surprised this behavior is acceptable or interesting to anyone...personally its dead for me ....don't need the negativity ....i don't need the crap....its just disgusting .


So... how much for a shoulder press?
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HeavyHitter32

Joshua Trentine wrote:
i would imagine my proof is conclusive...i have no more interest in this board...i haven't since the RenEx thread was closed due to too much volume.

i thought i could casually post on a subject that i'm very knowledgeable about without being harassed.

because of the complaints from the vocal mob i dropped the RenEx stuff...i really don't need the aggravation....nor do i need this crap....i will not tolerate it and i'm surprised this behavior is acceptable or interesting to anyone...personally its dead for me ....don't need the negativity ....i don't need the crap....its just disgusting .


In all honesty, you brought most of it on yourself.

You came onto this forum in essence claiming everyone's training equipment, diet, and methodologies were bullshit and don't really work, yet you have it all figured out and found the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow because you have a pro card; all one has to do it contact you and pay for your services to learn of these "Renaissance" discoveries (which you for the most part you have refused to discuss in any explicit detail which has further frustrated a lot of people).

I think just about everyone was genuinely interested initially when you started posting on this forum way back (including myself), but your 'holier-than-thou' attitude, narcissist behavior, and just overall insults to a number of people really turned off just about everyone except for a handful of people.

Here you are as a business owner who non-stops promotes his services on this forum (which isn't supposed to be a sales forum) and you're here telling people to "fuck off" amongst many other things?!?! Believe me, this really paints a very poor reflection on yourself and that was a huge mistake. By contrast, I have never seen Dr. Darden ever even come near that sort of behavior - even people who claim HIT is crap - as he always shows class, so you have ZERO excuse for acting the way you have many times.

So, really, you shouldn't be feeling sorry for yourself. You largely created this mess for yourself.

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Turpin

Acerimmer1 wrote:
Turpin wrote:
The incredible Vince Gironda , A true `lifetime` natural & genetic superior ( in my opinion ) who probably wouldn't even place at regional `natural` level to-date.

http://www.youtube.com/...feature=related

Go figure , T.

Vince's gym pumped out top class physiques on a conveyor belt. Why would you put his success down to superior genetics?


Whilst I agree that his method ( diet & training for an aesthetic look ) produced top class physiques , one must firstly have the genetic capability to build upon.
Gironda had these attributes in abundance ( balanced limb lengths , bone girth , muscle length , narrow pelvis , wide clavicle etc ) and made the most of them.
His method also made the most of Larry Scott , however Scott had very different genetics and was never as aesthetically appealing ( not possessing that wide tapered look ) as Gironda , Howarth was better again with tremendous genetics.

T.
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Turpin

KK wrote; No, I do not have personal access to Markus. But do you? Can you describe to me, in detail, his steroid cycles?

Let me assure you that you cannot. You are accusing people who are drug tested of using steroids.

What makes this even more ridiculous is that Markus has admitted to using steroids in the past, before he started competing as a natural. He really has no incentive to start lying now.

As for Trentine... that is NOT gyno. LOL at you if you really think that is.
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Turpin writes;

Get real & stop being naive

T.
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Turpin

Joshua Trentine wrote:
i would imagine my proof is conclusive...i have no more interest in this board...i haven't since the RenEx thread was closed due to too much volume.

i thought i could casually post on a subject that i'm very knowledgeable about without being harassed.

because of the complaints from the vocal mob i dropped the RenEx stuff...i really don't need the aggravation....nor do i need this crap....i will not tolerate it and i'm surprised this behavior is acceptable or interesting to anyone...personally its dead for me ....don't need the negativity ....i don't need the crap....its just disgusting .


Far too much protestation by you Trentine for it not to be true !!

T :)
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Joshua Trentine

Ohio, USA

HeavyHitter32 wrote:
Joshua Trentine wrote:
i would imagine my proof is conclusive...i have no more interest in this board...i haven't since the RenEx thread was closed due to too much volume.

i thought i could casually post on a subject that i'm very knowledgeable about without being harassed.

because of the complaints from the vocal mob i dropped the RenEx stuff...i really don't need the aggravation....nor do i need this crap....i will not tolerate it and i'm surprised this behavior is acceptable or interesting to anyone...personally its dead for me ....don't need the negativity ....i don't need the crap....its just disgusting .

In all honesty, you brought most of it on yourself.

You came onto this forum in essence claiming everyone's training equipment, diet, and methodologies were bullshit and don't really work, yet you have it all figured out and found the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow because you have a pro card; all one has to do it contact you and pay for your services to learn of these "Renaissance" discoveries (which you for the most part you have refused to discuss in any explicit detail which has further frustrated a lot of people).

I think just about everyone was genuinely interested initially when you started posting on this forum way back (including myself), but your 'holier-than-thou' attitude, narcissist behavior, and just overall insults to a number of people really turned off just about everyone except for a handful of people.

Here you are as a business owner who non-stops promotes his services on this forum (which isn't supposed to be a sales forum) and you're here telling people to "fuck off" amongst many other things?!?! Believe me, this really paints a very poor reflection on yourself and that was a huge mistake. By contrast, I have never seen Dr. Darden ever even come near that sort of behavior - even people who claim HIT is crap - as he always shows class, so you have ZERO excuse for acting the way you have many times.

So, really, you shouldn't be feeling sorry for yourself. You largely created this mess for yourself.




no matter how many times you guys repeat something it doesn't get anymore true.

this behavior is beyond unacceptable.

never attacked anyone... and never stood down.

ya'll win though...this board is dead and you guys love to perpetuate this crap...i have work to do

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Joshua Trentine

Ohio, USA

Turpin wrote:
Joshua Trentine wrote:
i would imagine my proof is conclusive...i have no more interest in this board...i haven't since the RenEx thread was closed due to too much volume.

i thought i could casually post on a subject that i'm very knowledgeable about without being harassed.

because of the complaints from the vocal mob i dropped the RenEx stuff...i really don't need the aggravation....nor do i need this crap....i will not tolerate it and i'm surprised this behavior is acceptable or interesting to anyone...personally its dead for me ....don't need the negativity ....i don't need the crap....its just disgusting .

Far too much protestation by you Trentine for it not to be true !!

T :)



gross little man
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Turpin

Trentine wrote:

i would imagine my proof is conclusive...i have no more interest in this board...i haven't since the RenEx thread was closed due to too much volume.

i thought i could casually post on a subject that i'm very knowledgeable about without being harassed.

because of the complaints from the vocal mob i dropped the RenEx stuff...i really don't need the aggravation....nor do i need this crap....i will not tolerate it and i'm surprised this behavior is acceptable or interesting to anyone...personally its dead for me ....don't need the negativity ....i don't need the crap....its just disgusting .
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Turpin wrote;

Far too much protestation by you Trentine for it not to be true !!

T :)

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Trentine wrote;

gross little man


LOL .... A `little man` who is most likely proportionately bigger/stronger ( though obviously not in waist or ego ) than yourself Trentine and TRULY natural :)

T.
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HeavyHitter32

Joshua Trentine wrote:
HeavyHitter32 wrote:
Joshua Trentine wrote:
i would imagine my proof is conclusive...i have no more interest in this board...i haven't since the RenEx thread was closed due to too much volume.

i thought i could casually post on a subject that i'm very knowledgeable about without being harassed.

because of the complaints from the vocal mob i dropped the RenEx stuff...i really don't need the aggravation....nor do i need this crap....i will not tolerate it and i'm surprised this behavior is acceptable or interesting to anyone...personally its dead for me ....don't need the negativity ....i don't need the crap....its just disgusting .

In all honesty, you brought most of it on yourself.

You came onto this forum in essence claiming everyone's training equipment, diet, and methodologies were bullshit and don't really work, yet you have it all figured out and found the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow because you have a pro card; all one has to do it contact you and pay for your services to learn of these "Renaissance" discoveries (which you for the most part you have refused to discuss in any explicit detail which has further frustrated a lot of people).

I think just about everyone was genuinely interested initially when you started posting on this forum way back (including myself), but your 'holier-than-thou' attitude, narcissist behavior, and just overall insults to a number of people really turned off just about everyone except for a handful of people.

Here you are as a business owner who non-stops promotes his services on this forum (which isn't supposed to be a sales forum) and you're here telling people to "fuck off" amongst many other things?!?! Believe me, this really paints a very poor reflection on yourself and that was a huge mistake. By contrast, I have never seen Dr. Darden ever even come near that sort of behavior - even people who claim HIT is crap - as he always shows class, so you have ZERO excuse for acting the way you have many times.

So, really, you shouldn't be feeling sorry for yourself. You largely created this mess for yourself.




no matter how many times you guys repeat something it doesn't get anymore true.

this behavior is beyond unacceptable.

never attacked anyone... and never stood down.

ya'll win though...this board is dead and you guys love to perpetuate this crap...i have work to do



How am I trying to perpetuate this crap? Unlike yourself, I couldn't care less about all of this and I have no agenda, nor am trying to "win" anything.

But, yes, you lost....you lost big time. And your behavior has been more unacceptable than anyone else's. You are better getting your own Web forum out there, or maybe see if McGuff will let you use his forum for your advertising. From a marketing perspective, that would probably better suit you anyway.
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krazy kaju

Turpin wrote:
KK wrote; No, I do not have personal access to Markus. But do you? Can you describe to me, in detail, his steroid cycles?

Let me assure you that you cannot. You are accusing people who are drug tested of using steroids.

What makes this even more ridiculous is that Markus has admitted to using steroids in the past, before he started competing as a natural. He really has no incentive to start lying now.

As for Trentine... that is NOT gyno. LOL at you if you really think that is.
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Turpin writes;

Get real & stop being naive

T.


GREAT RESPONSE. You responded to exactly zero points I made.

All that I see here is a load of envy and jealousy. Someone achieves a better physique than you and you automatically accuse them of using steroids? It's truly PATHETIC.
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dhitquinn

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Turpin

krazy kaju wrote:
Turpin wrote:
KK wrote; No, I do not have personal access to Markus. But do you? Can you describe to me, in detail, his steroid cycles?

Let me assure you that you cannot. You are accusing people who are drug tested of using steroids.

What makes this even more ridiculous is that Markus has admitted to using steroids in the past, before he started competing as a natural. He really has no incentive to start lying now.

As for Trentine... that is NOT gyno. LOL at you if you really think that is.
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Turpin writes;

Get real & stop being naive

T.

GREAT RESPONSE. You responded to exactly zero points I made.

All that I see here is a load of envy and jealousy. Someone achieves a better physique than you and you automatically accuse them of using steroids? It's truly PATHETIC.


Address your points ? .... okay !

Stop being naive !!

T.
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Turpin

krazy kaju wrote:

Markus is not a lifetime natural, but he is natural now.


VERY NAIVE !

5` 9" & 215 ripped
http://www.youtube.com/...h?v=OjJl9V3Hk2I

Natural ? ... LOL




If anything, we should be impressed with his physical development considering that he's quite old for bodybuilding and that his natural testosterone production is probably suppressed.

NAIVE ; So despite such disadvantage YOU believe he can achieve such condition @ 232lb naturally ?

http://www.youtube.com/...h?v=gKgIiA3CdZs



No, I do not have personal access to Markus. But do you? Can you describe to me, in detail, his steroid cycles?

Let me assure you that you cannot. You are accusing people who are drug tested of using steroids.


NAIVE ; There are thousands who evade such tests every year. I competed alongside some who were found out ( eventually ) but had passed numerous tests previously , and done so with ease ( & had a good knowledge of what they were doing with the drugs involved to do so )



What makes this even more ridiculous is that Markus has admitted to using steroids in the past, before he started competing as a natural. He really has no incentive to start lying now.


NAIVE; He did not compete in drug tested shows in the past , and as I believe the testing procedures in place at Musclemania ( the show he competes in annually ) are not anything like stringent. ... So why NOT lie & cheat. ( although its not really cheating when all/most of the others in the show are using too )


As for Trentine... that is NOT gyno. LOL at you if you really think that is.


NAIVE ; Yes I believe it is. And now he claims to have gone from a soft 198lb to a `hard` 240 lb in 18 months !!!

You need a reality check idiot !

T.
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Landau

Florida, USA

Turpin: Regardless - Get up to date - Musclemania 2011
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Acerimmer1

Turpin wrote:
krazy kaju wrote:

Markus is not a lifetime natural, but he is natural now.

VERY NAIVE !

5` 9" & 215 ripped
http://www.youtube.com/...h?v=OjJl9V3Hk2I

Natural ? ... LOL




If anything, we should be impressed with his physical development considering that he's quite old for bodybuilding and that his natural testosterone production is probably suppressed.

NAIVE ; So despite such disadvantage YOU believe he can achieve such condition @ 232lb naturally ?

http://www.youtube.com/...h?v=gKgIiA3CdZs



No, I do not have personal access to Markus. But do you? Can you describe to me, in detail, his steroid cycles?

Let me assure you that you cannot. You are accusing people who are drug tested of using steroids.

NAIVE ; There are thousands who evade such tests every year. I competed alongside some who were found out ( eventually ) but had passed numerous tests previously , and done so with ease ( & had a good knowledge of what they were doing with the drugs involved to do so )



What makes this even more ridiculous is that Markus has admitted to using steroids in the past, before he started competing as a natural. He really has no incentive to start lying now.

NAIVE; He did not compete in drug tested shows in the past , and as I believe the testing procedures in place at Musclemania ( the show he competes in annually ) are not anything like stringent. ... So why NOT lie & cheat. ( although its not really cheating when all/most of the others in the show are using too )


As for Trentine... that is NOT gyno. LOL at you if you really think that is.

NAIVE ; Yes I believe it is. And now he claims to have gone from a soft 198lb to a `hard` 240 lb in 18 months !!!

You need a reality check idiot !

T.


Turpin. What Josh said about his pec seems perfectly reasonable.

And IMO MR doesn't weigh 232 in that video.
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lildrummerboy80

you guys can search for chad shaw and kris gethin, both natural hitters training more of a yates style hit.
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macke

Turpin wrote:
Trentine wrote:

i would imagine my proof is conclusive...i have no more interest in this board...i haven't since the RenEx thread was closed due to too much volume.

i thought i could casually post on a subject that i'm very knowledgeable about without being harassed.

because of the complaints from the vocal mob i dropped the RenEx stuff...i really don't need the aggravation....nor do i need this crap....i will not tolerate it and i'm surprised this behavior is acceptable or interesting to anyone...personally its dead for me ....don't need the negativity ....i don't need the crap....its just disgusting .
.............................

Turpin wrote;

Far too much protestation by you Trentine for it not to be true !!

T :)

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Trentine wrote;

gross little man

LOL .... A `little man` who is most likely proportionately bigger/stronger ( though obviously not in waist or ego ) than yourself Trentine and TRULY natural :)

T.


FFS give it a rest...how old are you...over 40 and acts like a child...and this has been going on for months, grow up....MEATHEAD

Is this how a man acts? Who the fuck cares wich has the biggest calves or biceps.....YOU BORE US...
get a life Mr T
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Turpin

Acerimmer wrote;

Turpin. What Josh said about his pec seems perfectly reasonable.

And IMO MR doesn't weigh 232 in that video.

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Turpin writes ;

In regards to Trentines pec tear , I personally dont agree. In powerlifting Ive seen many pec tears ( both major & minor ) and all have originated at the pec /delt tie in , none I have witnessed/or ever known of have occurred around the nipple area causing such appearance. And what of the difference/loss in muscle density from 2 yrs earlier along with the nipple anomaly ? ... do you believe such to be `natural` ? .... I dont.

In regard to Markhus , you may be right in regard to him claiming to be 232lbs , but hey thats what he claims. And to me his fullness of musculature at such condition is NOT natural.

My opinion , and yours is ?

T.
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Turpin

Macke wrote; FFS give it a rest...how old are you...over 40 and acts like a child...and this has been going on for months, grow up....MEATHEAD

Is this how a man acts? Who the fuck cares wich has the biggest calves or biceps.....YOU BORE US...
get a life Mr T

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Turpin writes;

From the volume of PMs I have received , I seem to be boring only those who kiss Trentines arse.

And for what its worth , This is a bodybuilding forum and Trentine ( it seems , & RIGHTLY SO ) cares `who the fuck ` is best , as Im supposed to have been buried by now by his "awesomeness" LOL.

Now fuck off Macke , T.
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macke

Turpin wrote:
Macke wrote; FFS give it a rest...how old are you...over 40 and acts like a child...and this has been going on for months, grow up....MEATHEAD

Is this how a man acts? Who the fuck cares wich has the biggest calves or biceps.....YOU BORE US...
get a life Mr T

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Turpin writes;

From the volume of PMs I have received , I seem to be boring only those who kiss Trentines arse.

And for what its worth , This is a bodybuilding forum and Trentine ( it seems , & RIGHTLY SO ) cares `who the fuck ` is best , as Im supposed to have been buried by now by his "awesomeness" LOL.

Now fuck off Macke , T.


oooo...so you get a lot of PMs from people that tells you how righ you are
aand how big your muscles are...ooo
WE DONT CARE AND YOU BORE US!!!

And that cute picture really hurt my feelings....you really are a joke of a man.

Take a step back from the computer and look at the posts you have written lately and you should see how pathetic you are.

And another thing...i do not care about RenEx or Josh Terentines training ideas....this is about how you act on a forum ABOUT TRAINING!!!
RERSPECTIVE anyone?

And telling someone to fuck off on a forum is really effective.....NOT
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Acerimmer1

Turpin wrote:
Acerimmer wrote;

Turpin. What Josh said about his pec seems perfectly reasonable.

And IMO MR doesn't weigh 232 in that video.

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Turpin writes ;

In regards to Trentines pec tear , I personally dont agree. In powerlifting Ive seen many pec tears ( both major & minor ) and all have originated at the pec /delt tie in , none I have witnessed/or ever known of have occurred around the nipple area causing such appearance. And what of the difference/loss in muscle density from 2 yrs earlier along with the nipple anomaly ? ... do you believe such to be `natural` ? .... I dont.

In regard to Markhus , you may be right in regard to him claiming to be 232lbs , but hey thats what he claims. And to me his fullness of musculature at such condition is NOT natural.

My opinion , and yours is ?

T.


On Markus Reinhart? Don't know don't care. How about this opinion: He seems like a bit of a prick.

I still don't think that Josh has gyno.

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Turpin

Acerimmer1 wrote:
Turpin wrote:
Acerimmer wrote;

Turpin. What Josh said about his pec seems perfectly reasonable.

And IMO MR doesn't weigh 232 in that video.

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Turpin writes ;

In regards to Trentines pec tear , I personally dont agree. In powerlifting Ive seen many pec tears ( both major & minor ) and all have originated at the pec /delt tie in , none I have witnessed/or ever known of have occurred around the nipple area causing such appearance. And what of the difference/loss in muscle density from 2 yrs earlier along with the nipple anomaly ? ... do you believe such to be `natural` ? .... I dont.

In regard to Markhus , you may be right in regard to him claiming to be 232lbs , but hey thats what he claims. And to me his fullness of musculature at such condition is NOT natural.

My opinion , and yours is ?

T.

On Markus Reinhart? Don't know don't care. How about this opinion: He seems like a bit of a prick.

I still don't think that Josh has gyno.



LOL I agree in regards to Markhus Reinhardt , but I disagree with your opinion on Trentine.

T.
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