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BeauMann

Iowa, USA

A friend and I were discussing whether eating just eggs for breakfast would enable the body to use stored bodyfat as energy.

He says that I need to consume carbs to trigger the fat burning effect, I disagree. I usually just have 2-3 raw eggs for breakfast and then have a big lunch.

Opinions on this would be great.

Beau
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summaHIT

Ontario, CAN

Not eating breakfast will burn more fat.
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Tomislav

New York, USA

summaHIT wrote:
Not eating breakfast will burn more fat.

LOL summa,
this is true but eating breakfast will build more muscle and then the muscle will eat up all the fat ;)

BeauMann,
I remember reading a study encouraging eating bacon, sausage, ham and eggs together at breakfast so as to trigger the fat burning mechanism. I find it best to follow this with a milk shake and a shotglass of oil just to be sure.
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J-son

BeauMann wrote:
A friend and I were discussing whether eating just eggs for breakfast would enable the body to use stored bodyfat as energy.

He says that I need to consume carbs to trigger the fat burning effect, I disagree. I usually just have 2-3 raw eggs for breakfast and then have a big lunch.

Opinions on this would be great.

Beau


See Vince Gironda "Blueprint for Bodybuilder". He expplains it quite easy.

//Jonas
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BeauMann

Iowa, USA

Tomislav wrote:
summaHIT wrote:
Not eating breakfast will burn more fat.
LOL summa,
this is true but eating breakfast will build more muscle and then the muscle will eat up all the fat ;)

BeauMann,
I remember reading a study encouraging eating bacon, sausage, ham and eggs together at breakfast so as to trigger the fat burning mechanism. I find it best to follow this with a milk shake and a shotglass of oil just to be sure.


Interesting, what purpose does the oil serve?

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BeauMann

Iowa, USA

J-son wrote:
BeauMann wrote:
A friend and I were discussing whether eating just eggs for breakfast would enable the body to use stored bodyfat as energy.

He says that I need to consume carbs to trigger the fat burning effect, I disagree. I usually just have 2-3 raw eggs for breakfast and then have a big lunch.

Opinions on this would be great.

Beau

See Vince Gironda "Blueprint for Bodybuilder". He expplains it quite easy.

//Jonas


Thanks, Jonas.

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FiremanBob

BeauMann wrote:
Interesting, what purpose does the oil serve?



Builds character.
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coach-jeff

Louisiana, USA

BeauMann wrote:
A friend and I were discussing whether eating just eggs for breakfast would enable the body to use stored bodyfat as energy.

He says that I need to consume carbs to trigger the fat burning effect, I disagree. I usually just have 2-3 raw eggs for breakfast and then have a big lunch.

Opinions on this would be great.

Beau


The only thing which allows the human body to burn off bodyfat is a calorie deficit.

A high-protein/low-carb breakfast CAN facilitate "automatic" weight-loss in SOME people due to the combined appetite suppressing effects of high protein intakes and lack of dietary carbohydrate. This then tends to cause many folks (But NOT all!) to "automatically" lose weight due to a spontaneous reduction in caloric intake caused by reduced appetite.

And for any Gary Taubes fans who might seek to "correct" me with a bunch of talk about insulin...Taubes is a cherry-picking fool on this issue.

I have actually GAINED weight on LC-diet in the past, because I still ate to darn much.

But I do agree that for most folks, a reduced carb diet (customized to one's individual needs) is a very effective tool for reducing hunger and therefore dropping calorie intake enough to lose fat.

I also think a reduced carb (Bit probably not ketogenic)diet is more "metabolically forgiving" to folks living in modern industrialized countries. In fact, I'm working on a blog post about that right now.

A few months ago, I quit low-carb for awhile to experiment with a higher-carb version of a "paleo" diet. Felt great at first, but after awhile it was clear that even a very healthy version of a high carb diet simply does not work as well for my body and brain as a lower carb diet.

I currently only eat about 75 grams of carbs per day. About 100 on training days.

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BeauMann

Iowa, USA

coachjeff wrote:
BeauMann wrote:
A friend and I were discussing whether eating just eggs for breakfast would enable the body to use stored bodyfat as energy.

He says that I need to consume carbs to trigger the fat burning effect, I disagree. I usually just have 2-3 raw eggs for breakfast and then have a big lunch.

Opinions on this would be great.

Beau

The only thing which allows the human body to burn off bodyfat is a calorie deficit.

A high-protein/low-carb breakfast CAN facilitate "automatic" weight-loss in SOME people due to the combined appetite suppressing effects of high protein intakes and lack of dietary carbohydrate. This then tends to cause many folks (But NOT all!) to "automatically" lose weight due to a spontaneous reduction in caloric intake caused by reduced appetite.

And for any Gary Taubes fans who might seek to "correct" me with a bunch of talk about insulin...Taubes is a cherry-picking fool on this issue.

I have actually GAINED weight on LC-diet in the past, because I still ate to darn much.

But I do agree that for most folks, a reduced carb diet (customized to one's individual needs) is a very effective tool for reducing hunger and therefore dropping calorie intake enough to lose fat.

I also think a reduced carb (Bit probably not ketogenic)diet is more "metabolically forgiving" to folks living in modern industrialized countries. In fact, I'm working on a blog post about that right now.

A few months ago, I quit low-carb for awhile to experiment with a higher-carb version of a "paleo" diet. Felt great at first, but after awhile it was clear that even a very healthy version of a high carb diet simply does not work as well for my body and brain as a lower carb diet.

I currently only eat about 75 grams of carbs per day. About 100 on training days.


Thank you for the detailed description of your experience, Coach.

Eating 2-3 eggs raw in the morning is the most efficient way for me to eat breakfast. It literally takes 30 seconds to prepare and consume. I love the effect of basically fasting for the first 5 hours a day. It is easy for me to maintain a decent 6 pack while doing this and still get a large surplus of calories on the night side.

I believe fasting like this and consuming a large quantity of water flushes my system out considerably. By the time I eat my first meal of the day I am feeling great. After lunch,(usually a big homemade hamburger and a cup of cottage cheese) my muscles fill up instead of my stomach :)

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southbeach

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/...pubmed/10687887
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BeauMann

Iowa, USA

southbeach wrote:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/...pubmed/10687887


Interesting POV Southbeach,

I know you are pro vegan, can you give me an example of your typical daily diet?
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Tomislav

New York, USA

BeauMann wrote:
Tomislav wrote:
summaHIT wrote:
Not eating breakfast will burn more fat.
LOL summa,
this is true but eating breakfast will build more muscle and then the muscle will eat up all the fat ;)

BeauMann,
I remember reading a study encouraging eating bacon, sausage, ham and eggs together at breakfast so as to trigger the fat burning mechanism. I find it best to follow this with a milk shake and a shotglass of oil just to be sure.


Interesting, what purpose does the oil serve?



BeauMann,
there was a study linked on here awhile back that found a link betweeen eating a lot of saturated fat in the morning (bacon, sausage, ham and butter with your eggs) and how much fat was burned throughout the day - the highfat meal programs the metabolism to burn more fat.
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southbeach

BeauMann wrote:
southbeach wrote:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/...pubmed/10687887


Interesting POV Southbeach,

I know you are pro vegan, can you give me an example of your typical daily diet?



i am not pro vegan or pro paleo or pro anything but pro health & longevity.

i use evidenced based science for this
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db144

Welcome back SB. Where have you been hiding?

I must pick a bone with you on this study. You have once again posted an inconclusive study as proof. Please stop citing studies that "may" support your argument for eating rabbit food.

d
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BeauMann

Iowa, USA

southbeach wrote:
BeauMann wrote:
southbeach wrote:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/...pubmed/10687887


Interesting POV Southbeach,

I know you are pro vegan, can you give me an example of your typical daily diet?


i am not pro vegan or pro paleo or pro anything but pro health & longevity.


i use evidenced based science for this


Okay,

Would you be so kind as to tell me what you ate for breakfast and lunch today?
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BeauMann

Iowa, USA

Tomislav wrote:
BeauMann wrote:
Tomislav wrote:
summaHIT wrote:
Not eating breakfast will burn more fat.
LOL summa,
this is true but eating breakfast will build more muscle and then the muscle will eat up all the fat ;)

BeauMann,
I remember reading a study encouraging eating bacon, sausage, ham and eggs together at breakfast so as to trigger the fat burning mechanism. I find it best to follow this with a milk shake and a shotglass of oil just to be sure.


Interesting, what purpose does the oil serve?



BeauMann,
there was a study linked on here awhile back that found a link betweeen eating a lot of saturated fat in the morning (bacon, sausage, ham and butter with your eggs) and how much fat was burned throughout the day - the highfat meal programs the metabolism to burn more fat.


Thanks for the info, Tommi.

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db144

I don't think SB read that study abstract or if he did he either missed or is ignoring the part about an increased risk of hemorrhagic stroke.

So you trade off the possibility of cancer for an increased chance of a stroke. Sounds healthier to me.

d
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krazy kaju

http://www.ajcn.org/...7/1/44.abstract

Effects of a high-protein ketogenic diet on hunger, appetite, and weight loss in obese men feeding ad libitum 1,2,3
Alexandra M Johnstone, Graham W Horgan, Sandra D Murison, David M Bremner and Gerald E Lobley

1 From the Division of Obesity and Metabolic Health (AMJ, SDM, DMB, and GEL) and Biomathematics and Statistics Scotland (GWH), Rowett Research Institute, Aberdeen, United Kingdom

Background: Altering the macronutrient composition of the diet influences hunger and satiety. Studies have compared high- and low-protein diets, but there are few data on carbohydrate content and ketosis on motivation to eat and ad libitum intake.

Objective: We aimed to compare the hunger, appetite, and weight-loss responses to a high-protein, low-carbohydrate [(LC) ketogenic] and those to a high-protein, medium-carbohydrate [(MC) nonketogenic] diet in obese men feeding ad libitum.

Design: Seventeen obese men were studied in a residential trial; food was provided daily. Subjects were offered 2 high-protein (30% of energy) ad libitum diets, each for a 4-wk period?an LC (4% carbohydrate) ketogenic diet and an MC (35% carbohydrate) diet?randomized in a crossover design. Body weight was measured daily, and ketosis was monitored by analysis of plasma and urine samples. Hunger was assessed by using a computerized visual analogue system.

Results: Ad libitum energy intakes were lower with the LC diet than with the MC diet [P = 0.02; SE of the difference (SED): 0.27] at 7.25 and 7.95 MJ/d, respectively. Over the 4-wk period, hunger was significantly lower (P = 0.014; SED: 1.76) and weight loss was significantly greater (P = 0.006; SED: 0.62) with the LC diet (6.34 kg) than with the MC diet (4.35 kg). The LC diet induced ketosis with mean 3-hydroxybutyrate concentrations of 1.52 mmol/L in plasma (P = 0.036 from baseline; SED: 0.62) and 2.99 mmol/L in urine (P < 0.001 from baseline; SED: 0.36).

Conclusion: In the short term, high-protein, low-carbohydrate ketogenic diets reduce hunger and lower food intake significantly more than do high-protein, medium-carbohydrate nonketogenic diets.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

db144 wrote:
Welcome back SB. Where have you been hiding?

I must pick a bone with you on this study. You have once again posted an inconclusive study as proof. Please stop citing studies that "may" support your argument for eating rabbit food.

d


==Scott==
and I was just saying this forum might be getting better and he's back !!!AAAAHHHHHHHH!!!
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db144

You post about food and he will come....

d
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

db144 wrote:
You post about food and he will come....

d


==Scott==
Ok then, no more posting about food guys, ha ha..Now that he's back Mr. Strong can't be far behind if you know what I mean......
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ddeano

entsminger wrote:
db144 wrote:
You post about food and he will come....

d

==Scott==
Ok then, no more posting about food guys, ha ha..Now that he's back Mr. Strong can't be far behind if you know what I mean......


Mr. Strong is actually the shit! No kidding! That guy gave me training advice via a PM that has lead to the best, most consistent gains of my life.

I, for one, miss him posting here.
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db144

deano:

What is this magical advice he told you?

d
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southbeach

what happened to mr strong? he is in abstentia
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HeavyHitter32

southbeach wrote:
what happened to mr strong? he is in abstentia


I don't know. You should be able to easily answer that question.
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