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southbeach

AShortt wrote:
It is impossible to get highly specific about 'what is conditioned', each individual has there own traits. SB runs a nice quick 5k and another like me smokes him in a 2k. ;n)

Regards,
Andrew


Really, you smoke me? What's your metric mile time?
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marcrph

North Carolina, USA

HamsFitness wrote:
"What is Fit?"

Whatever you need it to be; You are fit for what you do.

This is all covered in basic secondary school education.

Just the "fuzz" from the media causes people to lose sight of this.


I'm looking for something(s) to measure
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marcrph

North Carolina, USA

AShortt wrote:
It is impossible to get highly specific about 'what is conditioned', each individual has there own traits. SB runs a nice quick 5k and another like me smokes him in a 2k. ;n)

Regards,
Andrew


How would each "individual" know if the were improving their conditioned state, or were getting "deconditioned?"
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southbeach

marcrph wrote:
AShortt wrote:
It is impossible to get highly specific about 'what is conditioned', each individual has there own traits. SB runs a nice quick 5k and another like me smokes him in a 2k. ;n)

Regards,
Andrew

How would each "individual" know if the were improving their conditioned state, or were getting "deconditioned?"


i can run tour azz off, that might be a clue that your doing smthg wrong
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marcrph

North Carolina, USA

The greatest case study ever done on conditioning?

Guess who?


http://www.ifr.net/...es/Naut-014.pdf
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marcrph

North Carolina, USA

southbeach wrote:
marcrph wrote:
AShortt wrote:
It is impossible to get highly specific about 'what is conditioned', each individual has there own traits. SB runs a nice quick 5k and another like me smokes him in a 2k. ;n)

Regards,
Andrew

How would each "individual" know if the were improving their conditioned state, or were getting "deconditioned?"

i can run tour azz off, that might be a clue that your doing smthg wrong


What did you measure? Serious replies needed
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marcrph

North Carolina, USA

Heart rate monitors can measure the HR at rest and at moderate and full exertion.
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marcrph

North Carolina, USA

You can measure time!

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marcrph

North Carolina, USA

You can measure Blood Pressure.

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entsminger

Virginia, USA

southbeach wrote:
marcrph wrote:
AShortt wrote:
It is impossible to get highly specific about 'what is conditioned', each individual has there own traits. SB runs a nice quick 5k and another like me smokes him in a 2k. ;n)

Regards,
Andrew

How would each "individual" know if the were improving their conditioned state, or were getting "deconditioned?"

i can run tour azz off, that might be a clue that your doing smthg wrong


==Scott==
What's your best marathon or 10k Southbeach? I'm not saying it's fast but my best marathon was 3:52 and my 10k's were usually around 35--38 minutes? At the 10 mile mark of the marathon I was doing a 6:10 pace and feeling great. Of course I slowed down considerably after that.
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marcrph

North Carolina, USA

entsminger wrote:
southbeach wrote:
marcrph wrote:
AShortt wrote:
It is impossible to get highly specific about 'what is conditioned', each individual has there own traits. SB runs a nice quick 5k and another like me smokes him in a 2k. ;n)

Regards,
Andrew

How would each "individual" know if the were improving their conditioned state, or were getting "deconditioned?"

i can run tour azz off, that might be a clue that your doing smthg wrong


==Scott==
What's your best marathon or 10k Southbeach? I'm not saying it's fast but my best marathon was 3:52 and my 10k's were usually around 35--38 minutes? At the 10 mile mark of the marathon I was doing a 6:10 pace and feeling great. Of course I slowed down considerably after that.


Interesting,

At Project Total Conditioning, Arthur Jones used the 2 mile run, to TEST the cardio vascular system (wind, stamina)
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marcrph

North Carolina, USA

You can measure blood sugar.

http://www.bmedreport.com/.../archives/32025

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HeavyHitter32

Can well all agree that doing a few sets to failure each week does NOT provide for optimal conditioning? This SuperSlow myth is still quite prevalent.
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HamsFitness

southbeach wrote:
HamsFitness wrote:
It is no different than asking what fitness is.

It is whatever you want it to be.

The ability to perform a task.

Whilst running 5k is quite impressive it does not make you fit for anything other than running. Can you run a marathon in under two and a half hours?

Doubt it as i don't do anything over 10K. I like to run at a nice clip.

Can you deadlift double body weight, can you free climb a cliff face?

yes, and no.

To a powerlifter you are not fit to powerlift, to a climber you are not fit to climb. To a 5k runner you are kind of fit but not special fit by any degree. 3 people I work with run 5k in under 20 minutes.

Fit is as fit does.

We are all fit, but fit for different tasks. Some more so than others.

VO2 is the measure of fitness and conditioning. Mine's in the upper levels for my age. What's yours?


VO2 Max is specific to the local musculature and not the heart itself. It is specific. Once thought to be a general trait has been proven time again it is not general.

As for mine I have no clue or way to measure it and am not really fussed what it is so long as I can do the activities I enjoy.
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HamsFitness

HeavyHitter32 wrote:
Can well all agree that doing a few sets to failure each week does NOT provide for optimal conditioning? This SuperSlow myth is still quite prevalent.


No sports scientist will agree with that statement as doing that workout means you are conditioned/fit for that workout.

FITNESS/CONDITIONING IS SPECIFIC PEOPLE. And the more we learn about how specific the more obvious it becomes. Right down to individual muscle fibre metabolism.

Mitochondria density will be different in quads from squats than leg presses and leg extensions. So very specific in most.
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davise

Optimal conditioning for what? For daily living? A specific sport or activity? Your individual answer to these questions will determine what you need to do for your specific requirements.

Here's my implementation. I do the once a week super slow workout of about 5-6 sets AND I train specifically once a week for a PT test I have to do for the reserves which consists of a timed run and timed pushups and situps.

My other interests are self defense training which is more skill related which I do three times a week. I don't consider this formal exercise however but I have to develop specific metabolic pathways and conditioning for this activity ie striking, kicking, grappling, body toughening/hardening, knife work, stick work, firearms training and movement etc.

I also enjoy recreational hiking, mountain biking and swimming which I do on an as I have the free time basis.

Each of these activities has its own specific metabolic pathways.

None of the above will make me a good diver, mountain climber, tennis player, golfer, etc or condition me specifically for those activities.

I consider the 5-6 sets to failure once a week (with little rest between sets) as my baseline conditioning and injury prevention. Everything else is activity specific. To get good at running your should run. To get good at biking you should bike. To get good at swimming you should swim etc etc.

Also, to get good at the above at specific distances you should train the specific distances.
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db144

SB just stop all the BS.

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Acerimmer1

marcrph wrote:
Just exactly what is conditioning?



I think.

It's the state of something cosmetically, and where it has a function beyond the cosmetic it's also including it's functionality. It's condition is established by comparing it to itself at different times and/or to other like things.

In a bodybuilder that is on stage then condition seems to be evaluated on purely cosmetic grounds (which is appropriate). When discussing a bodybuilders condition comentators seem to focus mostly or entirely on bodyfat and water in the skin.
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marcrph

North Carolina, USA

HeavyHitter32 wrote:
Can well all agree that doing a few sets to failure each week does NOT provide for optimal conditioning? This SuperSlow myth is still quite prevalent.


A way to measure conditioning would indeed disprove their supposition
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marcrph

North Carolina, USA

southbeach wrote:
VO2 is the measure of fitness and conditioning. Mine's in the upper levels for my age. What's yours?


Many would dispute VO2 as the measure of fitness and conditioning.
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natemason5

Ontario, CAN

marcrph wrote:
southbeach wrote:
VO2 is the measure of fitness and conditioning. Mine's in the upper levels for my age. What's yours?

Many would dispute VO2 as the measure of fitness and conditioning.


Just like a lot of things, your VO2 can be improved, but in large part it's genetics.

nate
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southbeach

entsminger wrote:
southbeach wrote:
marcrph wrote:
AShortt wrote:
It is impossible to get highly specific about 'what is conditioned', each individual has there own traits. SB runs a nice quick 5k and another like me smokes him in a 2k. ;n)

Regards,
Andrew

How would each "individual" know if the were improving their conditioned state, or were getting "deconditioned?"

i can run tour azz off, that might be a clue that your doing smthg wrong


==Scott==
What's your best marathon or 10k Southbeach? I'm not saying it's fast but my best marathon was 3:52 and my 10k's were usually around 35--38 minutes? At the 10 mile mark of the marathon I was doing a 6:10 pace and feeling great. Of course I slowed down considerably after that.


my best 10K is just over 40. Scott, 35 is stupendous...you were quite a gifted runner.
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southbeach

davise wrote:
Optimal conditioning for what? For daily living? A specific sport or activity? Your individual answer to these questions will determine what you need to do for your specific requirements.

Here's my implementation. I do the once a week super slow workout of about 5-6 sets AND I train specifically once a week for a PT test I have to do for the reserves which consists of a timed run and timed pushups and situps.

My other interests are self defense training which is more skill related which I do three times a week. I don't consider this formal exercise however but I have to develop specific metabolic pathways and conditioning for this activity ie striking, kicking, grappling, body toughening/hardening, knife work, stick work, firearms training and movement etc.

I also enjoy recreational hiking, mountain biking and swimming which I do on an as I have the free time basis.

Each of these activities has its own specific metabolic pathways.

None of the above will make me a good diver, mountain climber, tennis player, golfer, etc or condition me specifically for those activities.

I consider the 5-6 sets to failure once a week (with little rest between sets) as my baseline conditioning and injury prevention. Everything else is activity specific. To get good at running your should run. To get good at biking you should bike. To get good at swimming you should swim etc etc.

Also, to get good at the above at specific distances you should train the specific distances.


http://sportsmedicine.about.co...

What's you're saying is basically true but there is some "splash-over" from one activity to another. In other words a good runner with a high VO2 will also be a much better than avg "biker" too. VO2 is about your efficiency at utilizing Oxygen.
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southbeach

marcrph wrote:
You can measure blood sugar.

http://www.bmedreport.com/.../archives/32025



marc i already own one, and each of the others in the pics you've so graciously provided.

i take my BS once every month or so to keep an eye on my health. Take my B/P every week. And I always time my runs and HIT training.

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Hitit

southbeach wrote:
marcrph wrote:
You can measure blood sugar.

http://www.bmedreport.com/.../archives/32025



marc i already own one, and each of the others in the pics you've so graciously provided.

i take my BS once every month or so to keep an eye on my health. Take my B/P every week. And I always time my runs and HIT training.



SB,

SERIOUS QUESTION: For someone (YOU) so strict to adhere (and preach) to the traditional beliefs of Jones and HIT as well as Darden, why do you run (and brag about it) when all teachings suggest that running is unnecessary and counterproductive to HIT training?
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