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southbeach

Hitit wrote:
southbeach wrote:
marcrph wrote:
You can measure blood sugar.

http://www.bmedreport.com/.../archives/32025



marc i already own one, and each of the others in the pics you've so graciously provided.

i take my BS once every month or so to keep an eye on my health. Take my B/P every week. And I always time my runs and HIT training.



SB,

SERIOUS QUESTION: For someone (YOU) so strict to adhere (and preach) to the traditional beliefs of Jones and HIT as well as Darden, why do you run (and brag about it) when all teachings suggest that running is unnecessary and counterproductive to HIT training?


What HIT "teachings" preclude recreational running?
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garethit

southbeach wrote:


What HIT "teachings" preclude recreational running?


Hey SB, just got back into a bit of running myself and have to say I personally find nothing but positives from it. How often do you run and what distances?

Gareth
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southbeach

garethit wrote:
southbeach wrote:


What HIT "teachings" preclude recreational running?

Hey SB, just got back into a bit of running myself and have to say I personally find nothing but positives from it. How often do you run and what distances?

Gareth



almost exclusively treadmill these dayz. minimum of 3 miles per day up to 10K.

i love running at a fast clip i imagine myself a Zulu warrior running grassy fields and hills for miles on end.
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garethit

southbeach wrote:



almost exclusively treadmill these dayz. minimum of 3 miles per day up to 10K.

i love running at a fast clip i imagine myself a Zulu warrior running grassy fields and hills for miles on end.


Treadmill, TUT TUT! Why not out in the fresh air, best part of it I find. I hope you don't wear a loin cloth while on the treadmill as part of the Zulu thing LOL.
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southbeach

garethit wrote:
southbeach wrote:



almost exclusively treadmill these dayz. minimum of 3 miles per day up to 10K.

i love running at a fast clip i imagine myself a Zulu warrior running grassy fields and hills for miles on end.


Treadmill, TUT TUT! Why not out in the fresh air, best part of it I find. I hope you don't wear a loin cloth while on the treadmill as part of the Zulu thing LOL.


i do..but wear my JOCKSTRAP under it!

so, calm down ;)
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marcrph

North Carolina, USA

natemason5 wrote:
marcrph wrote:
southbeach wrote:
VO2 is the measure of fitness and conditioning. Mine's in the upper levels for my age. What's yours?

Many would dispute VO2 as the measure of fitness and conditioning.

Just like a lot of things, your VO2 can be improved, but in large part it's genetics.

nate


And....I might add....impractical.....with a lack of access....for the average Joe.
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marcrph

North Carolina, USA

southbeach wrote:
davise wrote:
Optimal conditioning for what? For daily living? A specific sport or activity? Your individual answer to these questions will determine what you need to do for your specific requirements.

Here's my implementation. I do the once a week super slow workout of about 5-6 sets AND I train specifically once a week for a PT test I have to do for the reserves which consists of a timed run and timed pushups and situps.

My other interests are self defense training which is more skill related which I do three times a week. I don't consider this formal exercise however but I have to develop specific metabolic pathways and conditioning for this activity ie striking, kicking, grappling, body toughening/hardening, knife work, stick work, firearms training and movement etc.

I also enjoy recreational hiking, mountain biking and swimming which I do on an as I have the free time basis.

Each of these activities has its own specific metabolic pathways.

None of the above will make me a good diver, mountain climber, tennis player, golfer, etc or condition me specifically for those activities.

I consider the 5-6 sets to failure once a week (with little rest between sets) as my baseline conditioning and injury prevention. Everything else is activity specific. To get good at running your should run. To get good at biking you should bike. To get good at swimming you should swim etc etc.

Also, to get good at the above at specific distances you should train the specific distances.

http://sportsmedicine.about.co...

What's you're saying is basically true but there is some "splash-over" from one activity to another. In other words a good runner with a high VO2 will also be a much better than avg "biker" too. VO2 is about your efficiency at utilizing Oxygen.


True.....but HOW would you know that improvement had been made in conditioning.

What would be a "baseline" conditioning level?

Would there be an "over-conditioned" state?

There is a glaring need to measure conditioning levels.
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southbeach

marcrph wrote:
natemason5 wrote:
marcrph wrote:
southbeach wrote:
VO2 is the measure of fitness and conditioning. Mine's in the upper levels for my age. What's yours?

Many would dispute VO2 as the measure of fitness and conditioning.

Just like a lot of things, your VO2 can be improved, but in large part it's genetics.

nate

And....I might add....impractical.....with a lack of access....for the average Joe.

i've never been tested professionally..i am talking about averaging or assuming a VO2 based on running performance.
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marcrph

North Carolina, USA

southbeach wrote:
marcrph wrote:
natemason5 wrote:
marcrph wrote:
southbeach wrote:
VO2 is the measure of fitness and conditioning. Mine's in the upper levels for my age. What's yours?

Many would dispute VO2 as the measure of fitness and conditioning.

Just like a lot of things, your VO2 can be improved, but in large part it's genetics.

nate

And....I might add....impractical.....with a lack of access....for the average Joe.
i've never been tested professionally..i am talking about averaging or assuming a VO2 based on running performance.


I hear you.....but time over distance, heart rate and blood pressure ARE measureables....which are readily available for all.....sb...NO ONE seems to be measuring these vitally important physiological aspects of human performance. Arthur Jones was a very smart hombre.
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marcrph

North Carolina, USA

southbeach wrote:
marcrph wrote:
You can measure blood sugar.

http://www.bmedreport.com/.../archives/32025



marc i already own one, and each of the others in the pics you've so graciously provided.

i take my BS once every month or so to keep an eye on my health. Take my B/P every week. And I always time my runs and HIT training.



sb,

Very good sir!

To prove conditioning levels in glucose metabolism....there are 2 very important times to measure glucose:

1) Fasting AM
2) two-hour post prandial

If glucose levels are normal after fasting, and 2 hours after eating, we have glycemic control, which is an important aspect of conditioning.

This testing is easily done hoy!
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marcrph

North Carolina, USA

marcrph wrote:
entsminger wrote:
southbeach wrote:
marcrph wrote:
AShortt wrote:
It is impossible to get highly specific about 'what is conditioned', each individual has there own traits. SB runs a nice quick 5k and another like me smokes him in a 2k. ;n)

Regards,
Andrew

How would each "individual" know if the were improving their conditioned state, or were getting "deconditioned?"

i can run tour azz off, that might be a clue that your doing smthg wrong


==Scott==
What's your best marathon or 10k Southbeach? I'm not saying it's fast but my best marathon was 3:52 and my 10k's were usually around 35--38 minutes? At the 10 mile mark of the marathon I was doing a 6:10 pace and feeling great. Of course I slowed down considerably after that.

Interesting,

At Project Total Conditioning, Arthur Jones used the 2 mile run, to TEST the cardio vascular system (wind, stamina)


Really sad.....that with HIT's aversion to running....that such an important tool for measuring... the 2-mile run....an easy way for measuring conditioning levels...was all but ignored.....I'm surprised Super Slow did not also condemn treadmills and stationary bikes.....
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sgb2112

Get off the treadmill SB! Free running.

http://youtu.be/...Hy9W9LpvlQ?hd=1
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southbeach

marcrph wrote:
marcrph wrote:
entsminger wrote:
southbeach wrote:
marcrph wrote:
AShortt wrote:
It is impossible to get highly specific about 'what is conditioned', each individual has there own traits. SB runs a nice quick 5k and another like me smokes him in a 2k. ;n)

Regards,
Andrew

How would each "individual" know if the were improving their conditioned state, or were getting "deconditioned?"

i can run tour azz off, that might be a clue that your doing smthg wrong


==Scott==
What's your best marathon or 10k Southbeach? I'm not saying it's fast but my best marathon was 3:52 and my 10k's were usually around 35--38 minutes? At the 10 mile mark of the marathon I was doing a 6:10 pace and feeling great. Of course I slowed down considerably after that.

Interesting,

At Project Total Conditioning, Arthur Jones used the 2 mile run, to TEST the cardio vascular system (wind, stamina)

Really sad.....that with HIT's aversion to running....that such an important tool for measuring... the 2-mile run....an easy way for measuring conditioning levels...was all but ignored.....I'm surprised Super Slow did not also condemn treadmills and stationary bikes.....


i am the man
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davise

I run because I enjoy it AND I have to pass a mandatory physical fitness test.

Not done for weight loss, my diet handles that.

The amount I run is so miniscule compared to a "real" serious runner I don't see it as a detriment to HIT training. I have done "real" running (hill running, interval training, long slow distance etc) in the past preparing for races and this does not compare to that at all. Logging lots of miles can cause injury and actually lower your immune system and susceptibility to colds etc just as high volume weight training can.

The last long run I did was years ago running an 18 mile trek up and down a mountainous course which left me physically wrecked as I had squatted and SLDLed two days prior and was not fully recovered. 5 days prior to that I had ran a competitive 1/2 marathon in which I really pushed myself. I suffered an injury as a result and have generally not run further than 3.5 miles in the last decade.

I generally don't run more than once a week as I've found doing so does not make me any faster or a better runner at my chosen distance. I've been experimenting lately where I'll do an A and B HIT workout I rotate once a week on a Monday and on Friday I'll alternate running one week with Tabata intervals on an elliptical the following week. So I'm actually only running once every other week with a Tabata protocol alternated in. So far, so good.

I do my self defense training on Tu, We, Th and recreational hiking, mountain biking etc on the weekends if I have the time.

Just took a physical health assessment and I blew away the PT test, I have very good cholesterol (my diet is clean) blood pressure is good, triglycerides are good, and my resting heart rate is in the 50's even after I had two cups of coffee and drove to the hospital (about a half hour away).

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davise

I might add Clarence Bass followed the same model ie weight training once a week and hard cardio once a week and has remained in phenomenal condition even into his seventies. He also did daily walking, but this is not in the same category as his hard cardio activity (I know the term is not liked on this board by the purists, but just using it in the general sense to describe an activity).

He alternated three different "cardio" activities every other week and had two weight workouts he cycled every other week. He scored very high on Dr Kenneth Coopers test.

See www.cbass.com
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db144

and SB wonders why he's still a string bean after 2 decades of lifting weights.

d
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Tony Williams

Mike Mentzer ran and discussed it in his "Heavy Duty" series.

Tony
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db144

Tony:

Can't use a steroid user as an example for a natural older lifter.

d
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southbeach

db144 wrote:
and SB wonders why he's still a string bean after 2 decades of lifting weights.

d


I'm lean (not a "string bean") because i prefer to be that way and limit calories. HIT training has put a good amount of muscle on my frame, and for that I'm eternally grateful to AJ and Dr Darden.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

southbeach wrote:
db144 wrote:
and SB wonders why he's still a string bean after 2 decades of lifting weights.

d

I'm lean (not a "string bean") because i prefer to be that way and limit calories. HIT training has put a good amount of muscle on my frame, and for that I'm eternally grateful to AJ and Dr Darden.


==Scott==
Since you refuse to show yourself you will always be what we imagine you to be and that's a string bean.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

HeavyHitter32 wrote:
Can well all agree that doing a few sets to failure each week does NOT provide for optimal conditioning? This SuperSlow myth is still quite prevalent.


==Scott==
I'll go even further to say that the mythical idea that jumping from set to set as fast as possible like Nautilus used to promote will get you in top fitness shape is a joke. I used to hang with these triathlon guys who were built like beasts, they can run 26 miles, swim 2 miles and bike 100 and they hit the weights.

These guys could dance circles around any rush factor bodybuilder who relied on that type of training to get his fitness level to it's peak.There's no comparison!
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southbeach

entsminger wrote:
HeavyHitter32 wrote:
Can well all agree that doing a few sets to failure each week does NOT provide for optimal conditioning? This SuperSlow myth is still quite prevalent.

==Scott==
I'll go even further to say that the mythical idea that jumping from set to set as fast as possible like Nautilus used to promote will get you in top fitness shape is a joke. I used to hang with these triathlon guys who were built like beasts, they can run 26 miles, swim 2 miles and bike 100 and they hit the weights.

These guys could dance circles around any rush factor bodybuilder who relied on that type of training to get his fitness level to it's peak.There's no comparison!


Word, scott. These guys have conditioned their VO2's thru the roof.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

southbeach wrote:
entsminger wrote:
HeavyHitter32 wrote:
Can well all agree that doing a few sets to failure each week does NOT provide for optimal conditioning? This SuperSlow myth is still quite prevalent.

==Scott==
I'll go even further to say that the mythical idea that jumping from set to set as fast as possible like Nautilus used to promote will get you in top fitness shape is a joke. I used to hang with these triathlon guys who were built like beasts, they can run 26 miles, swim 2 miles and bike 100 and they hit the weights.

These guys could dance circles around any rush factor bodybuilder who relied on that type of training to get his fitness level to it's peak.There's no comparison!

Word, scott. These guys have conditioned their VO2's thru the roof.


==Scott==
Triathletes are very much like Navy Seals in that they are about as good as condition as one could get. Another one who comes close is a guy who rows and cross country ski's. Circuit training to get in top condition, don't make me laugh.
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HeavyHitter32

entsminger wrote:
HeavyHitter32 wrote:
Can well all agree that doing a few sets to failure each week does NOT provide for optimal conditioning? This SuperSlow myth is still quite prevalent.

==Scott==
I'll go even further to say that the mythical idea that jumping from set to set as fast as possible like Nautilus used to promote will get you in top fitness shape is a joke. I used to hang with these triathlon guys who were built like beasts, they can run 26 miles, swim 2 miles and bike 100 and they hit the weights.

These guys could dance circles around any rush factor bodybuilder who relied on that type of training to get his fitness level to it's peak.There's no comparison!


Agreed. For someone to suggest this is just better 'skill" training is unbelievable nonsense.
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Hitit

HeavyHitter32 wrote:
entsminger wrote:
HeavyHitter32 wrote:
Can well all agree that doing a few sets to failure each week does NOT provide for optimal conditioning? This SuperSlow myth is still quite prevalent.

==Scott==
I'll go even further to say that the mythical idea that jumping from set to set as fast as possible like Nautilus used to promote will get you in top fitness shape is a joke. I used to hang with these triathlon guys who were built like beasts, they can run 26 miles, swim 2 miles and bike 100 and they hit the weights.

These guys could dance circles around any rush factor bodybuilder who relied on that type of training to get his fitness level to it's peak.There's no comparison!

Agreed. For someone to suggest this is just better 'skill" training is unbelievable nonsense.


What about the Colorado experiment?
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