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DNAHelix

New York, USA

Dorian posted this on the facebook.

I think deadlift is probably the most important exercise, but hey, what do I know, apparently some want it banned.
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Tony Williams

kulitsa wrote:
Dorian posted this on the facebook.

I think deadlift is probably the most important exercise, but hey, what do I know, apparently some want it banned.


But feel free to use our pink dumbbells.

Tony
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Bill Sekerak

California, USA

Tony Williams wrote:
kulitsa wrote:
Dorian posted this on the facebook.

I think deadlift is probably the most important exercise, but hey, what do I know, apparently some want it banned.

But feel free to use our pink dumbbells.

Tony


I once belonged to a gym that would not allow shoes of any kind ( they had a new rug ) , and another that allowed no neck work. Maybe this gym would allow good mornings . However, I sure as hell don't recommend them.
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HDLou

Must be Planet Fitness. lol Geez what a joke. Just saw there latest tv commerical with the female bodybuilder singing in the shower with a manly voice.
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HeavyHitter32

Bill Sekerak wrote:
Tony Williams wrote:
kulitsa wrote:
Dorian posted this on the facebook.

I think deadlift is probably the most important exercise, but hey, what do I know, apparently some want it banned.

But feel free to use our pink dumbbells.

Tony

I once belonged to a gym that would not allow shoes of any kind ( they had a new rug ) , and another that allowed no neck work. Maybe this gym would allow good mornings . However, I sure as hell don't recommend them.


I too ran into a situation where the gym would not allow you to use the shoes you walked in with....because they wanted the carpet clean. You had to change out of them.
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Lioncourt

My Gold's just put up new signs last week that say "No dead lifts (sic) or cleans." I plan to still do "deadlifts" but will call them "Jesus Christ lifts" like John Heart if they say anything about it. My additional back up plan is to bring in pictures of Arnold and Franco deadlifting at the original Gold's if they really have a problem with it.
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Bill Sekerak

California, USA

HeavyHitter32 wrote:
Bill Sekerak wrote:
Tony Williams wrote:
kulitsa wrote:
Dorian posted this on the facebook.

I think deadlift is probably the most important exercise, but hey, what do I know, apparently some want it banned.

But feel free to use our pink dumbbells.

Tony

I once belonged to a gym that would not allow shoes of any kind ( they had a new rug ) , and another that allowed no neck work. Maybe this gym would allow good mornings . However, I sure as hell don't recommend them.

I too ran into a situation where the gym would not allow you to use the shoes you walked in with....because they wanted the carpet clean. You had to change out of them.


Makes it real hard to get a decent workout doesn't it ?
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DNAHelix

New York, USA

Lioncourt wrote:
My Gold's just put up new signs last week that say "No dead lifts (sic) or cleans." I plan to still do "deadlifts" but will call them "Jesus Christ lifts" like John Heart if they say anything about it. My additional back up plan is to bring in pictures of Arnold and Franco deadlifting at the original Gold's if they really have a problem with it.


We had Gold's gym here in NYC. They are out of business now.
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kurtvf

Lioncourt wrote:
My Gold's just put up new signs last week that say "No dead lifts (sic) or cleans." I plan to still do "deadlifts" but will call them "Jesus Christ lifts" like John Heart if they say anything about it. My additional back up plan is to bring in pictures of Arnold and Franco deadlifting at the original Gold's if they really have a problem with it.


The Gold's Gyms of today have basically nothing to do with the original except the name. I've also heard some commercial gyms ban chalk, which I would consider to be a safety issue. More and more reasons to train at home or in a private gym. All commercial gyms only have the goal to make profit and stay in business.
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Hitit

Maybe because most of the fools I see doing them have hooooooorible form risking greater injury and they or others always drop the weight on the floor with each rep. The last gym I went to, the floor was all smashed up, rubber floor mats with worn out holes in them and most posture time the mirrors in the area were cracked.

The gym was on the second floor of a building and I swear you could feel the floor vibrate in the locker room when they did DL's. I'm not a builder, but the foundation and support beams had to have been under greater stressful loads.
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NewYorker

New York, USA

You don't like the rules, don't train there. 99% of people who deadlift cause themselves more harm than good. 99% of trainers cause more harm than good.

Invariably, deadlifters would get more benefit and less risk from selecting alternate exercises.
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db144

New Yorker:

Don't generalize. If one takes the time to learn the proper Dead Lift technique it is quite safe with reasonable training loads.

Competition (max. loads), bad technique, lack of proper warm up, and failure to stop when fatigued lead to injury. If a person avoids these Dead Lifting will not be a problem.

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DNAHelix

New York, USA

NewYorker wrote:
You don't like the rules, don't train there. 99% of people who deadlift cause themselves more harm than good. 99% of trainers cause more harm than good.

Invariably, deadlifters would get more benefit and less risk from selecting alternate exercises.


Like?
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Tomislav

New York, USA

NewYorker wrote:
You don't like the rules, don't train there. 99% of people who deadlift cause themselves more harm than good. 99% of trainers cause more harm than good.

Invariably, deadlifters would get more benefit and less risk from selecting alternate exercises.


NewYorker,
the truth is you personally would get more benefit from pursuing heavy DL's.

You get out of it what you put into it; if you want big muscles endeavour to lift big weights - your "alternate exercises" don't cut it.
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Bill Sekerak

California, USA

Show me a gym with a power rack . I haven't seen one since 1974.
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kurtvf

kulitsa wrote:
NewYorker wrote:
You don't like the rules, don't train there. 99% of people who deadlift cause themselves more harm than good. 99% of trainers cause more harm than good.

Invariably, deadlifters would get more benefit and less risk from selecting alternate exercises.

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He's off doing leg extensions with his buddy SouthPark.....
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NewYorker

New York, USA

kurtvf wrote:
kulitsa wrote:
NewYorker wrote:
You don't like the rules, don't train there. 99% of people who deadlift cause themselves more harm than good. 99% of trainers cause more harm than good.

Invariably, deadlifters would get more benefit and less risk from selecting alternate exercises.

Like?

He's off doing leg extensions with his buddy SouthPark.....


There are better and safer ways to target the involved muscles. The lower back for example, can more safely and thoroughly be strengthened using various machines such as MedX. I thought that would be obvious to any one on this forum.

I have known athletes who resorted to surgery (rarely successful) due to exercise induced spinal injury.

What do you think a strong male athlete's blood pressure is after doing a set of dead lifts to failure?

I have never seen proper dead lifting technique performed by a strong male advanced athlete. And I am not talking NTF sets. It is virtually impossible to adhere to strict form under heavy loads while reaching fatigue. Adolescent bravado not withstanding.

Leg extensions have a place in a proper exercise regimen.

But if you want to dead lift good luck. Hopefully, you are at least aware of constitutes good form. Just don't do it at the gym mentioned in this thread.
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Tomislav

New York, USA

NewYorker wrote:
What do you think a strong male athlete's blood pressure is after doing a set of dead lifts to failure?

I have never seen proper dead lifting technique performed by a strong male advanced athlete. And I am not talking NTF sets. It is virtually impossible to adhere to strict form under heavy loads while reaching fatigue. Adolescent bravado not withstanding.

Leg extensions have a place in a proper exercise regimen.

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summaHIT

Ontario, CAN

NewYorker wrote:
kurtvf wrote:
kulitsa wrote:
NewYorker wrote:
You don't like the rules, don't train there. 99% of people who deadlift cause themselves more harm than good. 99% of trainers cause more harm than good.

Invariably, deadlifters would get more benefit and less risk from selecting alternate exercises.

Like?

He's off doing leg extensions with his buddy SouthPark.....

There are better and safer ways to target the involved muscles. The lower back for example, can more safely and thoroughly be strengthened using various machines such as MedX. I thought that would be obvious to any one on this forum.

I have known athletes who resorted to surgery (rarely successful) due to exercise induced spinal injury.

What do you think a strong male athlete's blood pressure is after doing a set of dead lifts to failure?

I have never seen proper dead lifting technique performed by a strong male advanced athlete. And I am not talking NTF sets. It is virtually impossible to adhere to strict form under heavy loads while reaching fatigue. Adolescent bravado not withstanding.

Leg extensions have a place in a proper exercise regimen.

But if you want to dead lift good luck. Hopefully, you are at least aware of constitutes good form. Just don't do it at the gym mentioned in this thread.


Thank god people like you are looking out for us.
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HeavyHitter32

Bill Sekerak wrote:
HeavyHitter32 wrote:
Bill Sekerak wrote:
Tony Williams wrote:
kulitsa wrote:
Dorian posted this on the facebook.

I think deadlift is probably the most important exercise, but hey, what do I know, apparently some want it banned.

But feel free to use our pink dumbbells.

Tony

I once belonged to a gym that would not allow shoes of any kind ( they had a new rug ) , and another that allowed no neck work. Maybe this gym would allow good mornings . However, I sure as hell don't recommend them.

I too ran into a situation where the gym would not allow you to use the shoes you walked in with....because they wanted the carpet clean. You had to change out of them.

Makes it real hard to get a decent workout doesn't it ?


When my membership expired, I was done with the place and told the sales guy who tried to get me to re-sign just how ridiculous that policy was. After that, I went to a real gym and told him the place I was going to train; he went on to say, "Yeah, but they don't dust and vacuum enough there." Needless to say, he still was not getting it.
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DNAHelix

New York, USA

The gyms are becoming a hang out spots for people who have nothing better to do. Left and right, cycling classes, total body conditioning, TRX suspension , UXF training and patches of fake grass growing all over the place.

This is the apocalypse of fitness here at home in the USA. Commercial gyms are becoming more and more like retail giants, and just like the retail giants are step by step destroyed the quality of the goods, commercial gym chains are gradually destroying the fitness industry in this country.

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NewYorker

New York, USA

Tomislav wrote:
NewYorker wrote:
What do you think a strong male athlete's blood pressure is after doing a set of dead lifts to failure?

I have never seen proper dead lifting technique performed by a strong male advanced athlete. And I am not talking NTF sets. It is virtually impossible to adhere to strict form under heavy loads while reaching fatigue. Adolescent bravado not withstanding.

Leg extensions have a place in a proper exercise regimen.



phony tough
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NewYorker

New York, USA

summaHIT wrote:
NewYorker wrote:
kurtvf wrote:
kulitsa wrote:
NewYorker wrote:
You don't like the rules, don't train there. 99% of people who deadlift cause themselves more harm than good. 99% of trainers cause more harm than good.

Invariably, deadlifters would get more benefit and less risk from selecting alternate exercises.

Like?

He's off doing leg extensions with his buddy SouthPark.....

There are better and safer ways to target the involved muscles. The lower back for example, can more safely and thoroughly be strengthened using various machines such as MedX. I thought that would be obvious to any one on this forum.

I have known athletes who resorted to surgery (rarely successful) due to exercise induced spinal injury.

What do you think a strong male athlete's blood pressure is after doing a set of dead lifts to failure?

I have never seen proper dead lifting technique performed by a strong male advanced athlete. And I am not talking NTF sets. It is virtually impossible to adhere to strict form under heavy loads while reaching fatigue. Adolescent bravado not withstanding.

Leg extensions have a place in a proper exercise regimen.

But if you want to dead lift good luck. Hopefully, you are at least aware of constitutes good form. Just don't do it at the gym mentioned in this thread.

Thank god people like you are looking out for us.


Their gym, their rules.
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Tomislav

New York, USA

kulitsa wrote:
The gyms are becoming a hang out spots for people who have nothing better to do. Left and right, cycling classes, total body conditioning, TRX suspension , UXF training and patches of fake grass growing all over the place.



Kulitsa,
good observation; it was a few years ago I first became aware of this trend when one of the Y's I trained at converted to another chain and promptly locked up the squat racks for PT supervised use only.

what gym do you train at btw so I know to avoid it? Do they allow squatting or have they banned that too? (the smith machine doesn't count).

Planet Fitness seems to be in the lead with this movement and offers the following explanations for their motives:

The deadlift does not fit our "general fitness model". Most of our gym members are first time gym users, thus we are geared toward the first time gym user.

Our gym is geared toward first-time users and we feel the squat is unsafe for the beginner.

http://stronglifts.com/...ym-suck-part-2/

Fine to have a beginner gym but why not share this idea in bold print at the top of the membership forms so as to avoid problems with reasonable expectations? A bit more problematic if the gym is only suddenly converting to a beginner gym as yours just did.

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Tomislav

New York, USA

NewYorker wrote:
Tomislav wrote:
NewYorker wrote:
What do you think a strong male athlete's blood pressure is after doing a set of dead lifts to failure?

I have never seen proper dead lifting technique performed by a strong male advanced athlete. And I am not talking NTF sets. It is virtually impossible to adhere to strict form under heavy loads while reaching fatigue. Adolescent bravado not withstanding.

Leg extensions have a place in a proper exercise regimen.



phony tough


LOL New Yorker! You come off like a phony internet lifter resentful of more advanced athletes.

What qualifies you to evaluate the DL or it's performance? Can you articulate your idea of "proper technique"?

Oprah disagrees with you on the leg extensions and clearly explains why:

women tend to have stronger quads than hamstrings, so you risk muscle imbalances and future strains... stick with squats.

http://www.oprah.com/...id-at-the-Gym/7
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