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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

For those who like to twist my words around, I'm going on record as follows:

No, there is no zone forum,nor do I care to start one... so shut up about it.

If you are not into that method of training, then shut up... no one cares about your opinion, particuarly since you know next to nothing about it, have not implemented it and, therefore, have no valid opinion or experience about it. It's like me talking about engine rebuilding in a car... I know nothing about it, so why voice an opinion? It simply makes you look idiotic.

Zone training is superior to traditional methods. Anyone who has actual experience in it will concur. I've yet to hear a person (who focuses on development and not how much is lifted) say "I got more out of full ROM training than I did Zone Training... and after utilizing the method for the past 'x' months, I will never use it again and will remain with full ROM training.

Best wishes to those who do not agree for whatever reason, but show up at the HIT Resurgence conference where I'll be teaching some of these methods and let's see what you can take under my coaching... big shots!
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Mr. Strong

Tell me how you would coach me through the pull up done your way?

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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

I'm not interested in communicating with you... you have no interest in discussing ideas. You have more interest in trying to ridicule others on things you know nothing about or methods you have never tried.

My first step would be for you to sign up for a consultation. Good day.
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NewYorker

New York, USA

Brian -

You look like you are about 5"10 with good a body fat level for your age, about 15%. and have decent upper arms ... an honest measurement looks like 15 inches unpumped.

I am loathe to post personal info on the net. But, I am older than you, I run 10 or more miles a week hard (that is a size killer), and I am not a professional nor dedicated trainer or bodybuilder. If I posted a pic of my upper arm that dwarfed your 15 inch arms. Would that shut you up once and for all?
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

My arms may not look thick from the front (although they are more thick now... that photo is a few years old at 12%)... they are wider than thick... they measure 16.5 inches cold. I'm 5' 9.5 inches... 205 pounds. I have a good amount of weight in my back and thighs... my two strongest body parts.
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

By the way, and I made this clear more than once... it has nothing to do with you compared to me, but what changes you've made over the course of your training career. I could not budge beyond 186 pounds give or take... and I could not improve my physique through traditional means. And I made that even more clear on a number of occassions. Does that shut your idiotic mouth up, or do you want to post photos? Because... who cares... let's see photos of when you were 20, 30, 40 and current... THAT is what we need to see. And don't forget to take your shirt off and make certain the entire body is in the photo, unlike some people who get the camera so close you can only see a section of anatomy without any clear representation of one area in relation to another. I also have leg photos that I don't mind posting that would shut up most people on this board pretty darn fast, but who cares. If arguments are based on 'look at this photo,' it clearly illustrates the inability for you idiots to even discuss training theory and practice. Get off my threads... start your own threads of wisdom... and start educating people if you know so darn much.
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jitterbug

Mr.Johnston says:"Zone training is superior to traditional methods"

This is a bold statement

How do you support this?

How do you define traditional methods?

How do you define superior?

Besides you who uses Zone Training exclusively?

Ed
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farhad

Massachusetts, USA

NewYorker wrote:
Brian -

If I posted a pic of my upper arm that dwarfed your 15 inch arms. Would that shut you up once and for all?


really?? What a condescending childish prick. Is that the kind of argument we are resorting to now? JC
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farhad

Massachusetts, USA

jitterbug wrote:
Mr.Johnston says:"Zone training is superior to traditional methods"

This is a bold statement

How do you support this?

How do you define traditional methods?

How do you define superior?

Besides you who uses Zone Training exclusively?

Ed


Have you not read anything he has posted on this thread and other ones related to Zone Training and variation? Please go back and read what he has written.

You know exactly what he means by traditional methods, don't act ignorant.

Superior is defined as: "higher in rank,status, or quality." (OED). In the context of this thread, it means a method that is more effective at producing intended result; in this case, muscle hypertrophy.
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Hitit

farhad wrote:
NewYorker wrote:
Brian -

If I posted a pic of my upper arm that dwarfed your 15 inch arms. Would that shut you up once and for all?

really?? What a condescending childish prick. Is that the kind of argument we are resorting to now? JC


I just love it around here, so much fun and drama to be found!!

haha.
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NewYorker

New York, USA

farhad wrote:
NewYorker wrote:
Brian -

If I posted a pic of my upper arm that dwarfed your 15 inch arms. Would that shut you up once and for all?

really?? What a condescending childish prick. Is that the kind of argument we are resorting to now? JC


Didn't you guys lead off the thread with a post themed "shut up"?

Do you guys have any formal education or studies to back up you claims?

Your post really requires no commentary. It speaks for itself. Anyone who wants to be involved with your training can draw their own conclusions.
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

Could people please chime in who currently is following a protocol... EXACTLY as it is found in any research study... a protocol that says "this workout is better than the other workout... therefore, we recommend this workout." Now, you cannot deviate from that workout unless you find another study to indicate that it is as good or better than the workout plan in the previous study.

OK, please, chime in and indicate your program and which study it came from... tried and tested in a research study, remember.

Or... do you discover what is ideal for you rather than the AVERAGE trainee in a study of people with different genetic and psychological make-ups?

Discovering what is ideal for yourself takes much thinking and continual change (as your body, adaptation and needs change), whereas searching for the illusive study to guide you sugggests laziness and a bit of stupidity because you're unable to think for yourself. Funny stuff, kids.

And when it comes to Zone Training, for all the geniuses out there who don't get that it's a method with DOZENS of possible applications, I would bet that those on this site who do Zone Training (not everyone into Zone Training is on this site, by the way... duh!) don't do the same program... not even close... they are simply taking the application of training in Zones and applying various combinations (to which they like and respond favorably) to their choice of exercises, number of sets, amount of TUT, and frequency.

I'm sure this will go over some heads and the penis gallery will continue to rant and rave as though their egos are being bruised because people are doing things differently, liking their workouts, and actually responding as advanced trainees. Well, tough nuts. I've yet to see anything from these detractors that even resemble any degree of originality or effectiveness... they're doing stuff I did 20 friggin' years ago, lol, and they think 'that is the way to go,' and I should be doing likewise. It's the gambler's fallacy... if it ain't working now, it ain't gonna! Therefore, why would I do stuff that I already adapted to, that no longer is giving me the effect I'm looking for? If it works for you, then fine... I'm not blasting it... I can't blast it... it's working for you! But when you suggest for a moment that what I'm doing is crap, you're an idiot, plain and simple... no other explanation for it.

And when it's something you haven't even put into practice (yet I have with myself and hundreds of people for 8 years) and you mock me for suggesting it's superior to traditional means (e.g., full ROM reps), well at least I'm basing my opinion on experience and knowledge and not a moronic, know-it-all and pointless burp.

Best wishes and hope to see some of you experts at the conference. Oh, wait... I won't. As Gomer Pyle would say, "surprise, surprise, surprise." lol
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strengthmaster

Michigan, USA

Brian,

I don't post much on here anymore. Too many damn narrow-minded "experts" on here for me. I just wanted to tell you how much I liked and enjoyed the Exercise Protocol magazine you published years ago. You did a great job with it. I still have all of them in my strength library.

I wish I could make the conference to hear you speak. Just not in the budget this year. Hopefully they'll have the DVD's available again this year so I can hear your talks.

All the Best,

Scott
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

Thanks, Scott. By the way, Mike Lipowski is doing an annual (Synergy) this year. Not sure when it will be available... I submitted to him a lengthy article on full-body circuit training applications that involve multi-angle and Zone Training. If you're into full body training at all, you should enjoy it... it takes the application into several different directions.
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AShortt

Ontario, CAN

If Zone Training/The Johnston Rep Mehtod has taught me anything it is this:

Exercise ROM is yours to discover.

Regards,
Andrew
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AShortt

Ontario, CAN

NewYorker wrote:
Brian -

You look like you are about 5"10 with good a body fat level for your age, about 15%. and have decent upper arms ... an honest measurement looks like 15 inches unpumped.

I am loathe to post personal info on the net. But, I am older than you, I run 10 or more miles a week hard (that is a size killer), and I am not a professional nor dedicated trainer or bodybuilder. If I posted a pic of my upper arm that dwarfed your 15 inch arms. Would that shut you up once and for all?


Ya but 'how much ya bench' ;?)
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farhad

Massachusetts, USA

I am very disappointed that I will not be able to make it either. I am sure DVD's will be made available afterwards. It would be cool if they could setup a live webinar..paid of course:)
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Tomislav

New York, USA

AShortt wrote:
Ya but 'how much ya bench' ;?)


Andrew,
you've made the point about skill from practice before, but there are limits; one would have to suspend logic and common sense to compare a 400 lb and 200 lb bench and imagine the former is just the result of more skill from practice - it takes really big muscles to bench 400 lbs even for a partial or zone provided we exclude the lockout since that's just a transition to bone support and the loading tapers off.

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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

Interesting... I trained a few times with a guy who was skinny as a rail... and I mean thin... some muscularity, but you would not think he lifted weights. I think he came in at 135 pounds and moderate height (likely about 5'6", but that's a guess). He competed in powerlifting (liked to smoke, too). He set some Ontario and possibly Canadian records in his weight category.

He could bench double his body weight, and squat triple his weight. For someone his size, a 270 bench was darn good, and he had NO pec development beyond some 15-year old swimmer. His legs were like toothpicks.
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

I never took 'posing' pictures past age 26 or so. Once I started getting heavy into the IART it was more front, back and side relaxed comparisons (likely influenced by Jones and Darden). My 'bodybuilding competition' days were over (I never competed, but I used to do all kinds of posing shots).

This one was taken in my mid to late 20s, at 20 pounds lighter than I am now. My arms (particularly triceps) have far more development than what I had back then. Arms are a little bigger in terms of measurement... but the appearance and detail from one end of the bone to the other is what is most striking (it required Zone Training to realize that effect and outcome, and just ask Mike Lipowski about that point). If you want recent photos, buy me a camera :-)
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Mr. Strong

Brian Johnston wrote:
Could people please chime in who currently is following a protocol... EXACTLY as it is found in any research study... a protocol that says "this workout is better than the other workout... therefore, we recommend this workout." Now, you cannot deviate from that workout unless you find another study to indicate that it is as good or better than the workout plan in the previous study.

OK, please, chime in and indicate your program and which study it came from... tried and tested in a research study, remember.

Or... do you discover what is ideal for you rather than the AVERAGE trainee in a study of people with different genetic and psychological make-ups?

Discovering what is ideal for yourself takes much thinking and continual change (as your body, adaptation and needs change), whereas searching for the illusive study to guide you sugggests laziness and a bit of stupidity because you're unable to think for yourself. Funny stuff, kids.

And when it comes to Zone Training, for all the geniuses out there who don't get that it's a method with DOZENS of possible applications, I would bet that those on this site who do Zone Training (not everyone into Zone Training is on this site, by the way... duh!) don't do the same program... not even close... they are simply taking the application of training in Zones and applying various combinations (to which they like and respond favorably) to their choice of exercises, number of sets, amount of TUT, and frequency.

I'm sure this will go over some heads and the penis gallery will continue to rant and rave as though their egos are being bruised because people are doing things differently, liking their workouts, and actually responding as advanced trainees. Well, tough nuts. I've yet to see anything from these detractors that even resemble any degree of originality or effectiveness... they're doing stuff I did 20 friggin' years ago, lol, and they think 'that is the way to go,' and I should be doing likewise. It's the gambler's fallacy... if it ain't working now, it ain't gonna! Therefore, why would I do stuff that I already adapted to, that no longer is giving me the effect I'm looking for? If it works for you, then fine... I'm not blasting it... I can't blast it... it's working for you! But when you suggest for a moment that what I'm doing is crap, you're an idiot, plain and simple... no other explanation for it.

And when it's something you haven't even put into practice (yet I have with myself and hundreds of people for 8 years) and you mock me for suggesting it's superior to traditional means (e.g., full ROM reps), well at least I'm basing my opinion on experience and knowledge and not a moronic, know-it-all and pointless burp.

Best wishes and hope to see some of you experts at the conference. Oh, wait... I won't. As Gomer Pyle would say, "surprise, surprise, surprise." lol



Already adapted to? Adaptation is the goal.

You know you wouldn't even make it half way through what I described in the other thread, lol, adapted to, sure.

I will repeat, zone training is not superior to traditional methods. You have shown nothing to support that statement.

Lets try again, shall we? Take your 12 reps in each third vs 36 full ROM reps with all else being equal, only difference is thirds vs full ROM, which provides the superior adaptation? The full ROM does. See how simple this is.

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Mr. Strong

Brian Johnston wrote:
I never took 'posing' pictures past age 26 or so. Once I started getting heavy into the IART it was more front, back and side relaxed comparisons (likely influenced by Jones and Darden). My 'bodybuilding competition' days were over (I never competed, but I used to do all kinds of posing shots).

This one was taken in my mid to late 20s, at 20 pounds lighter than I am now. My arms (particularly triceps) have far more development than what I had back then. Arms are a little bigger in terms of measurement... but the appearance and detail from one end of the bone to the other is what is most striking (it required Zone Training to realize that effect and outcome, and just ask Mike Lipowski about that point). If you want recent photos, buy me a camera :-)


You don't need zone training to have progressed well beyond that point. You look good but could easily have gone well beyond with traditional methods.
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Mr. Strong

Brian Johnston wrote:
Interesting... I trained a few times with a guy who was skinny as a rail... and I mean thin... some muscularity, but you would not think he lifted weights. I think he came in at 135 pounds and moderate height (likely about 5'6", but that's a guess). He competed in powerlifting (liked to smoke, too). He set some Ontario and possibly Canadian records in his weight category.

He could bench double his body weight, and squat triple his weight. For someone his size, a 270 bench was darn good, and he had NO pec development beyond some 15-year old swimmer. His legs were like toothpicks.




Don't ignore eating, you won't get bigger if you never eat more.
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

You haven't a clue what I experienced up to age 40, and so don't pretend you do (the number of 'traditional' progression methods I've gone through far exceeds what most people have experienced, I can tell you that). More than once I was heavy (gained sufficient amount of fat, and up to 227 pounds... 215 pounds for a few years).

It never did anything more my muscle mass. Maybe others can get fat and put on muscle in the process, but I only needed to be another 5 pounds over 'good condition' (not ripped) to make change (after all, if you can sustain 5 pounds of fat without losing it, obviously you're getting in enough calories).

And in regard to adaptation, since you are ignorant on the subject, a person adapts in two ways... adaptation results in an increase in something (or even maintenance or slowing the loss of something), and when that happens there is adaptation to the stimulus.

Now you're educated... if you can't quite understand that, study GAS, SAID and even evolution theory and don't pretend that we're all stupid and you have the answers to progression... like having to do 10 sets of chins, lol. What forum are you on? I would love to see your back development from all those chins.
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

Mr. Strong wrote:
Brian Johnston wrote:
I never took 'posing' pictures past age 26 or so. Once I started getting heavy into the IART it was more front, back and side relaxed comparisons (likely influenced by Jones and Darden). My 'bodybuilding competition' days were over (I never competed, but I used to do all kinds of posing shots).

This one was taken in my mid to late 20s, at 20 pounds lighter than I am now. My arms (particularly triceps) have far more development than what I had back then. Arms are a little bigger in terms of measurement... but the appearance and detail from one end of the bone to the other is what is most striking (it required Zone Training to realize that effect and outcome, and just ask Mike Lipowski about that point). If you want recent photos, buy me a camera :-)

You don't need zone training to have progressed well beyond that point. You look good but could easily have gone well beyond with traditional methods.


You don't read, do you? I clearly stated that that photo was taken in my mid to late 20s, and I clearly stated that I didn't even start Zone Training until age 40. Whatever... you like to cause irritability in people for entertainment, rather than actually discussing exercise application.
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