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simon-hecubus

Texas, USA

Dan_The_man wrote:
The fact the x-force machinery doesn't havle elbow pads has to be some indication at least that the elbows weren't weak links.

The dumbell pullover is more of a ribcage exercise...


That's one man's opinion.

... I aked earlier in this thread how to go about working the lats with zones, and as ever I got no response. Too bad many posters here want to either promote their own stuff or besmerch...

There's plenty of good lat working info in just the last couple of pages. Sorry it wasn't laid out Step 1, Step 2, Step 3 for you.

...Unforunately the site has long since moved away from grass roots bodybuilding into a if you dont perform this system or have this equipment your training is pointless. Quite sad really.

Define grass roots, please. This thread is about alternatives.

If you don't like, then start another one entitiled: 'Meat and Potatoes HIT' or something like that.

This forum is like anything else: You get out what you put into it.

Scott
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jitterbug

spud wrote:
wellness warrior wrote:
Not to mention, no need for custom cams and expensive equipment!!

I was considering changing gyms recently.

I was told on the BBS site by someone who is an avid follower of RenEx that my use of a 45 degree sled leg press was bad and that I should perform bodyweight squats as recommended by Drew Baye instead.

A lot of the discussions on the RenEx site seemed to suggest that if you didn't have access to the correct equipment, environment and instruction then you were probably not going to get the best results and would have to struggle on.

So I thought I would leave my gym with free weights, cables and average machines and go instead to one with limited free weights, no cables and marginally better machines.

Then I started using J-Reps and all of a sudden, instead of using about 40% of the equipment in my (according to the cam worshippers) poorly equipped gym and only performing a handful of exercises that were worth my time, I am now using every single piece of equipment in the gym and I am performing exercises like the dumbbell pullover which a couple of months ago I would have considered dreadful because it was the same as some high end peice of equipment that cost thousands of dollars and was only available on the other side of the Atlantic.

I'm now getting a much better training effect from J-Reps on standard equipment than I ever got trying to emulate the RenEx protocol on the same equipment.

I would much rather spend just under $70 on two eBooks that have taught me a method and how to think for myself.

Rather that than thousands of dollars on either buying a handful of pieces of equipment, or more likely, making a once in a lifetime trip to the US just to have a couple of workouts on equipment that if I'm honest, I could never afford.

If you don't have a HIT facility kitted out to the roof with expensive and/or retrofitted equipment, then J-Reps is in my opinion, is almost essential.

My biggest problem with A LOT (not all) of the HIT community is that they will engage in discussions, acting as if everyone has at least got a full line of MedX or Nautilus at their disposal.

I can't speak for those in the US, but I have been around the UK and I will tell you that the VAST MAJORITY of gyms all over the country have free weights, cables and machines that are half decent at best and utterly dreadful at worst.

I would much rather have a raft of techniques supported by a methodology that can be applied using any equipment (even bodyweight) than sit around feeling aggrieved that I could have the physique I want, if only I had access to the allegedly perfect facilities.


Mr.Spud,

What they actually said is that no matter how hard you try and emulate what they teach the optimal effect that they suggest can occur only does so under conditions that include environment, protocol (supervision) and the supportive equipment. I'm sure the board is interested in your success with J-reps, but your speculation about RenEx is of no value without having any experience.

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wellness warrior

If mentioned earlier , I apologize, but worth mentioning again. Brian Johnston is interviewed for 1 hour on Dave Durrell's High Intensity Nation site. Well worth the listen!
Be Well
Terry
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simon-hecubus

Texas, USA

jitterbug wrote:
...I'm sure the board is interested in your success with J-reps, but your speculation about RenEx is of no value without having any experience.
Ed


Settle down, Jittery Jackass. This is a zone training thread. No one was bashing your masters --- they were just mentioned in passing.
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simon-hecubus

Texas, USA

P.S. to Dan_the_Man:

There's some excellent insight into effective lat zones on the last page of the Matrix Corner thread.
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kulitsa

New York, USA

simon-hecubus wrote:
kulitsa wrote:
DB Pullovers are useless, by the time the hands are perpendicular to the body, the tension drops to zero. Pullover machine is something that cannot be substituted.

C'mon, Albert, it has to be substituted if you don't have one, right?

Plus, DON'T go til hands perpendicular to the body (or the floor for that matter). I always hang half over a bench and stop 30 degrees from vertical.

The point of this thread is how to make otherwise flawed exercises work for you --- not just throwing up your hands and saying: "oh my god, I don't have a MedX Pullover machine, I'm fucked!"

Another half @##ed exercise is a DB fly. The only fly worth spending your time on is the one where you push against the pads wether it is a 10 degree chest, 40 degree chest or just the upright version of it. Every other version of it just damages your shoulders.

Again, it's how you perform it. I like flyes as a pre-fatigue for presses.

I stick with the lower 2/3 of the movement. Elbows at 90 degress at the bottom and not too much stretch.

I like doing flyes while lying backwards on a decline bench (head and shoulders at high end of bench). The width of this bench provides good support. Plus, it's quite wide so that it provides a good stopping point for me to avoid the most potentially harmful portion of the ROM.

Where there's a will...



Scott,

Point well taken... but, I have never even seen MedX equipment once in my life, I have never seen Arthur's original Nautilus either.

So I overcome the problem of not having access to a MadX or Nautilus pullover by finding access to Hammer Strength pullover.

I have never seen 10 degree chest or a MedX avenger 10 degree chest in any gym I have gone to, so I solve this by finding access to Nautilus Nitro fly, also very effective IMO.

In the absence of those I just forego the associated movements altogether.


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simon-hecubus

Texas, USA

That's cool, broseph. The problem I have here is that out of the 4 24-hr Fitness I rotate between, only one has any kind of PO Machine (a Life Fitness).

They all used to have 1 machine --- I don't know what happened.

Scott
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Hitit

simon-hecubus wrote:
That's cool, broseph. The problem I have here is that out of the 4 24-hr Fitness I rotate between, only one has any kind of PO Machine (a Life Fitness).

They all used to have 1 machine --- I don't know what happened.

Scott


I find that most people (general public) don't use them. My old gym didn't have one and the new one I almost NEVER ever ever see anyone on it.

But there is always a line to the cable pulleys and Fly machines.
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kulitsa

New York, USA

Hitit wrote:
simon-hecubus wrote:
That's cool, broseph. The problem I have here is that out of the 4 24-hr Fitness I rotate between, only one has any kind of PO Machine (a Life Fitness).

They all used to have 1 machine --- I don't know what happened.

Scott

I find that most people (general public) don't use them. My old gym didn't have one and the new one I almost NEVER ever ever see anyone on it.

But there is always a line to the cable pulleys and Fly machines.


Because most tools only work their chest and biceps.
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kulitsa

New York, USA

simon-hecubus wrote:
That's cool, broseph. The problem I have here is that out of the 4 24-hr Fitness I rotate between, only one has any kind of PO Machine (a Life Fitness).

They all used to have 1 machine --- I don't know what happened.

Scott


That is why I am set on making my own home gym, so that I do not have to pay my money to fouche bags that will lecture me on equipment (like in my previous gym where I protested the removal of a few very good machines).
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HeavyHitter32

I've been training at home for the last nine years and love it. Fourteen years prior to that I trained in various gyms and really save time and it's incredibly convenient now. I do sometimes miss the atmosphere of a good gym such as the bright lights, mirrors, various equipment, etc. but my basement gym works so much better for me and I've been adding pieces over time so there is more variety.
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