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Dan_The_man

Has anyone tried this? It's supposed to be good for fat loss.

I'm finding there's more and more supplements than ever before. Yet little feedback on what does and doesn't work.
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kulitsa

New York, USA

Dan_The_man wrote:
Has anyone tried this? It's supposed to be good for fat loss.

I'm finding there's more and more supplements than ever before. Yet little feedback on what does and doesn't work.


99.9% of supplements will definitely make your wallet "skinny and fa free".

The only supplements that work are the banned ones.
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Dan_The_man

I disagree there are some supplements that work but it's all relative to the individual and i suspect there are a lot of folks needlessly talking certain supplements. I personally like flaxseed oil that supposedly already contains a certain percentage of alpha linoleic acid. Horny goatweed also seems to do what it says on the tin. But wanted to know about this as its raved about for fat loss and a lot of fat loss supplements contain cla.
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HDGURU

Dan, CLA has been around since at least the late 1990's, maybe before......Originally used on feedlot animals to increase lean mass and decrease fat.....Apparently it workedon them .....

I've tried it a number of times back then but it never seemed to deliver on its promise.... I've noticed it's being pushed again lately...Who knows......
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mr_andreassen

it works well but one needs to take around 6-8 capsules. combine it with creatine phase and you will be surprised how well they both work.....
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Nautilus1975

Snakeoil
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simon-hecubus

Texas, USA

Helps a little the first time you use it. 2 caps, 30 min before each of your 2 biggest meals of the day.
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sonny153

I tried the suggested 4 grams/day and didn't really notice anything
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kulitsa

New York, USA

Dan_The_man wrote:
I disagree there are some supplements that work but it's all relative to the individual and i suspect there are a lot of folks needlessly talking certain supplements. I personally like flaxseed oil that supposedly already contains a certain percentage of alpha linoleic acid. Horny goatweed also seems to do what it says on the tin. But wanted to know about this as its raved about for fat loss and a lot of fat loss supplements contain cla.


You may disagree as much as you want.
People who have low body fat levels and six packs are divided into two categories:

1. Those who always had them, it is in their genetics.

2. Those who got them as a side effect from administering potent banned substances. Quite a number if those substances have a very sought after effect - rapid loss of visceral fat.
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HeavyHitter32

A good quality fish oil is probably the best overall "health" supplement one can take (won't do much for fat loss though). I've seen it actually improve some of my lipid numbers. The importance of a good ratio of omega 3 to omega 6 is very important especially if you eat a lot of crappy carb sources (I don't, but just saying because a lot of people do). It also good for overall anti-inflammatory.
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marcrph

North Carolina, USA

I have tried CLA, and I like the product....but don't expect miracles. Nothing takes the place of hard lifting and dieting properly. Speaking of dieting, the body's preferred fuel is not fats, carbohydrates, or proteins, it is ATP.

The total ATP yield for a lipid molecule is 423 ATP or 0.47 mol ATP/gram.

Glucose on the other hand generates 36 ATP, or 0.20 mol ATP/gram.

That is a huge difference in ATP between fats and carbohydrates in terms of total ATP. Looks like a high percentage fat diet would supply plenty of ATP, much more so than a high carbohydrate diet. Focusing on eating LESS, and finding a way to eat less ATP dense food, but more nutrient dense, should be the logical process, if body mass is to be controlled.

Looks like Dr. Darden has a C-L-E-A-R winner.
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marcrph

North Carolina, USA

http://www.rejuvenation-scienc...

Some interesting facts on the study of CLA.

By the way, the safflower oil, which is where CLA is taken from, makes a very god pre-shave oil when combined with a few other ingredients. Just a FYI for those who want to have a great shaving experience.
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Dan_The_man

This is the reason I asked...All the online sources suggest it is beneficial, even though there is mixed opinion here.
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marcrph

North Carolina, USA

Dan_The_man wrote:
This is the reason I asked...All the online sources suggest it is beneficial, even though there is mixed opinion here.


The study I quoted is NOT a mixed opinion.....CLA works.....read the study.....and draw your own conclusions.
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farhad

Massachusetts, USA

marcrph wrote:
Dan_The_man wrote:
This is the reason I asked...All the online sources suggest it is beneficial, even though there is mixed opinion here.


The study I quoted is NOT a mixed opinion.....CLA works.....read the study.....and draw your own conclusions.



Agreed. According to the independent 'www.consumerlab.com' CLA seems to have some beneficial effects in regards to increasing the ratio of muscle to fat.

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Dan_The_man

From the evidence I've looked at and the new supplements that claim to do this that and the other that forget to say their main ingredient is CLA. I am inclined to agree that it works.

At the moment, I am running some vitamin D3 and want to see how well that works, so I don't want to bring other supplements into the equation just yet.
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marcrph

North Carolina, USA

the bigger ?

blocking adenosine effects!
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marcrph

North Carolina, USA

Long term CLA study results:

http://www.rejuvenation-scienc...

Not exactly Protandim!
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Dan_The_man

explain...
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marcrph

North Carolina, USA

Dan_The_man wrote:
explain...


Step 1

Dr Darden has emphasized a 60-20-20 diet % of carb-protein-fat. Some may argue for more of one ingredient or the other, but Dr. Darden's ratio recommendation is the best for overall anabolism/catabolism. The key to remember is the preferred fuel for the body is ATP. Get used to reading this. I've been about 3-5 years ahead of the curve, so I don't expect the "cornbread and buttermilk" mentality that exists here to agree with me. Furthermore, I don't care if some are stuck in the 60's and 70's, as I'm only after results, much like Mr. T.
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Dan_The_man

I didnt really want to get off topic I posted explain at the point of:

the bigger ?

blocking adenosine effects!

but you posted again around the same time as me so it confused things. But yes I do think CLA has value.

I dont believe in a cornbread and buttermilk diet either, but at the same time a strict 60/20/20 isn't that much of a requirement either. If there was a magic formula it would be repeated over and over again ad naseum.
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marcrph

North Carolina, USA

Dan_The_man wrote:
I didnt really want to get off topic I posted explain at the point of:

the bigger ?

blocking adenosine effects!

but you posted again around the same time as me so it confused things. But yes I do think CLA has value.

I dont believe in a cornbread and buttermilk diet either, but at the same time a strict 60/20/20 isn't that much of a requirement either. If there was a magic formula it would be repeated over and over again ad naseum.


Dan,

I was using a metaphor with cornbread and buttermilk. HIT has long deemphasized diet. Try this, eat hot dogs and drink pepsi for 1 month...report back on how you feel. Diet matters a lot. The body's preferred fuel is ATP. Diet must be balanced and have variation. The body can take fat, protein and carbohydrates and convert this to ATP.

Carbohydrate is easily converted to ATP, especially fruit, however, protein and fat is not so easily converted to ATP. But, there is a need for protein and fat. 20 percent will allow for these needs. Remember, fat contains lots of ATP. Also, protein lacks many substances for proper health that carbohydrates have in abundance. Carbohydrates have lower ATP levels.

Variety in diet is necessary for proper health. The key is watching caloric input. Does this sound like a Dr. Darden diet?????YES.

On to CLA....the studies are there. HITers may chose to bury their heads in sand. Creatine works also. But nothing takes the place of hard training and calorie restriction. When we choose to limit our calories and workout hard (ask HH32 for advice here) we can all have results. I already take CLA and an adenosine blocker.

I advise all to look at the Kreb cycle. Further good reading is the energy systems of the body. I wish I would have studied much harder and longer while in school. I guess some of the late nights studying were not in vain.

The emphasis on the X-force is on eccentric lowering. Dr. Darden has gotten extremely good results with 30-30-30, and calorie restriction. Eccentric lowering preferentially recruits fast twitch fibers, as does heavy loads. To match the alactic energy system (10 seconds of maximum output), one can utilize 10 seconds of heavy eccentrics done rest pause style, which will work quite well for a while. Experiment!

There is not a better way to tap on these fast twitch fibers. I would speak on the glycolytic system and the aerobic system, but this is way too much food to digest at one time. Much the same about adenosine blockage. No one from a HIT board can digest this much food. In time! Food for temptation. Study brown fat, and white fat. Why can some animals hibernate successfully?
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Dan_The_man

Hi Marc,

I didn't suggest a junk food diet, just that the 60/20/20 formula isn't the end all and be all. If it was people would be following it ad nauseum. Probably the biggest problem in the developed world, diet wise is people eating too many refined foods. They're cheap and taste good.

I'm not a huge fan of calorie restricted diets over the long term as the body adjusts to make more of less. It's like they say prevention is better than the cure, once fat it's very hard to then loose it and keep it off. They say muscle never forgets, but neither does fat.

I liked the idea of the slow carb diet and the binge eat one day per week, I think this approach sustains weight loss and negates the rebound with the binge. However, I find fasting a much easier wAy to control weight. The subject will always be open to debate and everyone needs to find their own way.
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marcrph

North Carolina, USA

Dan_The_man wrote:
Hi Marc,

I didn't suggest a junk food diet, just that the 60/20/20 formula isn't the end all and be all. If it was people would be following it ad nauseum. Probably the biggest problem in the developed world, diet wise is people eating too many refined foods. They're cheap and taste good.

I'm not a huge fan of calorie restricted diets over the long term as the body adjusts to make more of less. It's like they say prevention is better than the cure, once fat it's very hard to then loose it and keep it off. They say muscle never forgets, but neither does fat.

I liked the idea of the slow carb diet and the binge eat one day per week, I think this approach sustains weight loss and negates the rebound with the binge. However, I find fasting a much easier wAy to control weight. The subject will always be open to debate and everyone needs to find their own way.


I like fasting also....especially intermittent fasting. The CLA and adenosine blocking supplement enhance IF. Awesome technology.
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HeavyHitter32

marcrph wrote:
Dan_The_man wrote:
I didnt really want to get off topic I posted explain at the point of:

the bigger ?

blocking adenosine effects!

but you posted again around the same time as me so it confused things. But yes I do think CLA has value.

I dont believe in a cornbread and buttermilk diet either, but at the same time a strict 60/20/20 isn't that much of a requirement either. If there was a magic formula it would be repeated over and over again ad naseum.

Dan,

I was using a metaphor with cornbread and buttermilk. HIT has long deemphasized diet. Try this, eat hot dogs and drink pepsi for 1 month...report back on how you feel. Diet matters a lot. The body's preferred fuel is ATP. Diet must be balanced and have variation. The body can take fat, protein and carbohydrates and convert this to ATP.

Carbohydrate is easily converted to ATP, especially fruit, however, protein and fat is not so easily converted to ATP. But, there is a need for protein and fat. 20 percent will allow for these needs. Remember, fat contains lots of ATP. Also, protein lacks many substance for proper health that carbohydrates have in abundance. Carbohydrates have lower ATP levels.

Variety in diet is necessary for proper health. The key is watching caloric input. Does this sound like a Dr. Darden diet?????YES.

On to CLA....the studies are there. HITers may chose to bury their heads in sand. Creatine works also. But nothing takes the place of hard training and calorie restriction. When we choose to limit our calories and workout hard (ask HH32 for advice here) we can all have results. I already take CLA and an adenosine blocker.

I advise all to look at the Kreb cycle. Further good reading is the energy systems of the body. I wish I would have studied much harder and longer while in school. I guess some of the late nights studying were not in vain.

The emphasis on the X-force is on eccentric lowering. Dr. Darden has gotten extremely good results with 30-30-30, and calorie restriction. Eccentric lowering preferentially recruits fast twitch fibers, as does heavy loads. To match the alactic energy system (10 seconds of maximum output), one can utilize 10 seconds of heavy eccentrics done rest pause style, which will work quite well for a while. Experiment!

There is not a better way to tap on these fast twitch fibers. I would speak on the glycolytic system and the aerobic system, but this is way too much food to digest at one time. Much the same about adenosine blockage. No one from a HIT board can digest this much food. In time! Food for temptation. Study brown fat, and white fat. Why can some animals hibernate successfully?


Very good post.
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