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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

arthurjonesexercise.com/MuscularDevelopement/CaseyViator.pdf
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cmg

Thanks Brian - but I can't seem to find the exact article you are referring to. What folder is it in (Iron Man - muscular dev...)?

Ron
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

It not only comes up for me right away, but the title of the article is in the title of this thread!!!!
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DNAHelix

New York, USA

When I read about Arthur Jones and especially when I read his Viator rants, I can't help but laugh.

Jones knew NOTHING of genetics and largely mistook steroid intake of his poster boys for genetics and further built a successful marketing campaign to fool people into buying his equipment. Which might have been very decent, I do not know, I have never tried his original stuff.

All the blabber about results of training in his articles is not worth listening to - that is all steroids, nothing else.
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Zabo

Kulitsa you must suffer from deep lunacy.
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DNAHelix

New York, USA

Zabo wrote:
Kulitsa you must suffer from deep lunacy.


Nah, just from acute realism.
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cmg

kulitsa wrote:
When I read about Arthur Jones and especially when I read his Viator rants, I can't help but laugh.

Jones knew NOTHING of genetics and largely mistook steroid intake of his poster boys for genetics and further built a successful marketing campaign to fool people into buying his equipment. Which might have been very decent, I do not know, I have never tried his original stuff.

All the blabber about results of training in his articles is not worth listening to - that is all steroids, nothing else.



Thanks for the thoughtful feedback - as usual...
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HeavyHitter32

kulitsa wrote:
When I read about Arthur Jones and especially when I read his Viator rants, I can't help but laugh.

Jones knew NOTHING of genetics and largely mistook steroid intake of his poster boys for genetics and further built a successful marketing campaign to fool people into buying his equipment. Which might have been very decent, I do not know, I have never tried his original stuff.

All the blabber about results of training in his articles is not worth listening to - that is all steroids, nothing else.


Do you really think most people using steroids could like like Viator did at his peak? Most of the population couldn't come close.
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farhad

Massachusetts, USA

kulitsa wrote:
When I read about Arthur Jones and especially when I read his Viator rants, I can't help but laugh.

Jones knew NOTHING of genetics and largely mistook steroid intake of his poster boys for genetics and further built a successful marketing campaign to fool people into buying his equipment. Which might have been very decent, I do not know, I have never tried his original stuff.

All the blabber about results of training in his articles is not worth listening to - that is all steroids, nothing else.


ALL steroids?? NOTHING else. High-intensity training and genetics had NOTHING to do with his physique Riiiight.
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DNAHelix

New York, USA

farhad wrote:
kulitsa wrote:
When I read about Arthur Jones and especially when I read his Viator rants, I can't help but laugh.

Jones knew NOTHING of genetics and largely mistook steroid intake of his poster boys for genetics and further built a successful marketing campaign to fool people into buying his equipment. Which might have been very decent, I do not know, I have never tried his original stuff.

All the blabber about results of training in his articles is not worth listening to - that is all steroids, nothing else.

ALL steroids?? NOTHING else. High-intensity training and genetics had NOTHING to do with his physique Riiiight.


Questions to Farhad:

Question #1
Have you personally seen the results of his DNA test (saliva test)?

This question requires only Yes or No.

Question # 2

If you did, which, of the very few reputable DNA testing facilities in the US, administered that test?

This question requires only the name of the institution.

Question # 3

Was there a test to determine the testosterone ratio administered prior to training? If yes, who administered it and what was the ratio?

This question requires a Yes or No as well as exact ratio.

Thank you Farhad.
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cmg

kulitsa wrote:
farhad wrote:
kulitsa wrote:
When I read about Arthur Jones and especially when I read his Viator rants, I can't help but laugh.

Jones knew NOTHING of genetics and largely mistook steroid intake of his poster boys for genetics and further built a successful marketing campaign to fool people into buying his equipment. Which might have been very decent, I do not know, I have never tried his original stuff.

All the blabber about results of training in his articles is not worth listening to - that is all steroids, nothing else.

ALL steroids?? NOTHING else. High-intensity training and genetics had NOTHING to do with his physique Riiiight.


Questions to Farhad:

Question #1
Have you personally seen the results of his DNA test (saliva test)?

This question requires only Yes or No.

Question # 2

If you did, which, of the very few reputable DNA testing facilities in the US, administered that test?

This question requires only the name of the institution.

Question # 3

Was there a test to determine the testosterone ratio administered prior to training? If yes, who administered it and what was the ratio?

This question requires a Yes or No as well as exact ratio.

Thank you Farhad.



Really - are you a scientist?

Have you ever trained in a place that have people on steriods? I have when in college. Some looked poor up to the best who did win the Mr. America. They all could not win the Mr. A. They just didn't develop as well. Legs, arms etc. didn't look that good. They got bigger when using - and possibly leaner - but many you would not guess they were taking anything. But the ones that won the bigger contests - looked different. Well developed all over and their muscles just popped. All worked hard there but some just better than others. Why would this be....?

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farhad

Massachusetts, USA

No
No
No

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Nautilus1975

kulitsa wrote:
When I read about Arthur Jones and especially when I read his Viator rants, I can't help but laugh.

Jones knew NOTHING of genetics and largely mistook steroid intake of his poster boys for genetics and further built a successful marketing campaign to fool people into buying his equipment. Which might have been very decent, I do not know, I have never tried his original stuff.

All the blabber about results of training in his articles is not worth listening to - that is all steroids, nothing else.



I think Jones was probably one of the FIRST to FULLY understand genetics as it pertained to training and further more, to the entire animal kingdom.


If you want to argue this it will be a pretty long road to hoe on your part - he had studied wild animals for decades before any real steroid use in humans was even seen

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DNAHelix

New York, USA

farhad wrote:
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No
No



Thank you Farhad. With all due respect I suggest you always ask yourself those three questions whenever you are inclined to talk about someone's genetics.

I tested myself and saw the tests of others, as well as I am in constant contact with the professionals in the field of genetics. I do a lot of research in this field.

EVERYONE ELSE: thank you for answering, if anyone is interested let me know I will elaborate as much as my experience and real life facts allow me. Jones has/had no authority in the field of human genetics and all his statements are mere speculations as they are not backed up by any kind of a credible scientific research.
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Bill Sekerak

California, USA

kulitsa wrote:
When I read about Arthur Jones and especially when I read his Viator rants, I can't help but laugh.

Jones knew NOTHING of genetics and largely mistook steroid intake of his poster boys for genetics and further built a successful marketing campaign to fool people into buying his equipment. Which might have been very decent, I do not know, I have never tried his original stuff.

All the blabber about results of training in his articles is not worth listening to - that is all steroids, nothing else.


You must be joking.
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Bill Sekerak

California, USA

HeavyHitter32 wrote:
kulitsa wrote:
When I read about Arthur Jones and especially when I read his Viator rants, I can't help but laugh.

Jones knew NOTHING of genetics and largely mistook steroid intake of his poster boys for genetics and further built a successful marketing campaign to fool people into buying his equipment. Which might have been very decent, I do not know, I have never tried his original stuff.

All the blabber about results of training in his articles is not worth listening to - that is all steroids, nothing else.

Do you really think most people using steroids could like like Viator did at his peak? Most of the population couldn't come close.


Exactly , you could give all the steroids in the world to , for example , Conan O' Brian and you. Would never have Conan The Barbarian !
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Bill Sekerak

California, USA

Everybody on this site knows what is meant by genetics and it is not what you are referring to.
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Bill Sekerak

California, USA

Nautilus1975 wrote:
kulitsa wrote:
When I read about Arthur Jones and especially when I read his Viator rants, I can't help but laugh.

Jones knew NOTHING of genetics and largely mistook steroid intake of his poster boys for genetics and further built a successful marketing campaign to fool people into buying his equipment. Which might have been very decent, I do not know, I have never tried his original stuff.

All the blabber about results of training in his articles is not worth listening to - that is all steroids, nothing else.


I think Jones was probably one of the FIRST to FULLY understand genetics as it pertained to training and further more, to the entire animal kingdom.


If you want to argue this it will be a pretty long road to hoe on your part - he had studied wild animals for decades before any real steroid use in humans was even seen



I don't know if all of that is true, but I am pretty sure Arthur was the first to challenge the commonly held belief that everyone could look like Mr. America if the bought some barbells from York and some courses and supplements from Joe Weider.
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DNAHelix

New York, USA

Bill Sekerak wrote:
Everybody on this site knows what is meant by genetics and it is not what you are referring to.


Bill, specifically for you - jones knew nothing of genetics. Period.
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

His secret?

"A lot of luck to start with-an extremely lucky choice of parents, an inherited potentia1 for producing such a development without such inherited
potential, it is literally impossible to ever reach this degree of development.
But do not misunderstand this to mean that a man such as Casey is "born" this way. Actually, such development is "built!' but it can only be built by some people, not by anyone. While
most anybody can build enormous degree of muscular development and strength, it is also true that some few people can do beucr than others in that direction."

*************

This sounds like he know something about it. I think it is steroids that, at one time, he knew very little about and did not appreciate. Either that or he didn't want to go on record knowing what they could do, and put the idea into the minds of teenagers reading the muscle magazines.
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Bill Sekerak

California, USA

kulitsa wrote:
Bill Sekerak wrote:
Everybody on this site knows what is meant by genetics and it is not what you are referring to.


Bill, specifically for you - jones knew nothing of genetics. Period.


Your opinion is not an argument, it is just your opinion.
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farhad

Massachusetts, USA

kulitsa wrote:
When I read about Arthur Jones and especially when I read his Viator rants, I can't help but laugh.

All the blabber about results of training in his articles is not worth listening to - that is all steroids, nothing else.



I was waiting for someone else to identify the contradiction and illogic of the statement above, but nothing yet. I even tried hinting at it in my previous comment.

Kulitsa,

Do you believe that if someone ONLY took steroids, and did NOT train, would that person still have a physique like Casey?

If your answer is a "yes' then that shows you know nothing about exercise science.

If your answer is a 'No', then you just contradicted your claim. Why? Because you are noting that there was another variable (i.e. training, high intensity training).SO, you cannot say it was "ALL" steroids, and "NOTHING" else.

Just a little lesson in logic for the price of free.
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kurtvf

kulitsa wrote:
farhad wrote:
No
No
No



Thank you Farhad. With all due respect I suggest you always ask yourself those three questions whenever you are inclined to talk about someone's genetics.

I tested myself and saw the tests of others, as well as I am in constant contact with the professionals in the field of genetics. I do a lot of research in this field.

EVERYONE ELSE: thank you for answering, if anyone is interested let me know I will elaborate as much as my experience and real life facts allow me. Jones has/had no authority in the field of human genetics and all his statements are mere speculations as they are not backed up by any kind of a credible scientific research.


You speak in very general terms. Specifically how does genetic testing apply to strength training and weight lifting? I know it is used to determine ancestry and if you are prone to certain diseases. What does your testing tell you about your weight lifting potential and how does it work? Does it tell you how big your arms can get? How much you can bench press??

You can't change your genetics so why worry about it?
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Nautilus1975

A simple example out of several that comes to mind was Jones "theory" or 'concept' about the distance from the elbow joint to the beginning of the bicep muscle belly as a "GENETIC" marker or trait that would generally determine the subjects ability to build large upper arms....


If this is considered ineptitude by Kulista then I don't know where you could possibly go to make any more sense out of his statement
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DNAHelix

New York, USA

Dear Farhad,

A free lesson to you:

When you get "beaten up", be a man, go home, relax and learn from your mistakes.
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