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HeavyHitter32

PTDaniel wrote:
Presently I eat almost exclusively animal products. I don't eat grains, seeds, or any vegetables. Occasionally I will eat some fruit. On my last bulk I realized my body is sensitive to something or things in plants. I began to get extreme bloating in my abdomen and have had it for a while. I actually began to crap blood 6 or so times a day. I'm not talking about little specs in the feces either. There would be literally a pool of red in the toilet when I finished.

I've only been doing an animal based diet for about 2 weeks. Within a day the blood stopped. My abdominal distension is gone. I never realized how bad it has been over the years until it went away.

I no longer have severe insomnia. A typical night of sleep without medication for me would have me waking every 15- 30 minutes. Even with medication I was starting to wake at least 6 times a night. Now without any medication I'm down to waking twice a night. My energy levels and mood are greatly enhanced. I'm also much more social.


Sounds like you need to get into a GI doctor for a colonscopy, buddy. That is not normal regardless of any diet or even if it has suddenly stopped.
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sirloin

Imo diets are cultural for the most part. I care less for what diet is in vogue anymore, it used to be low fat, paleo, keto etc, now its this carnivore diet and vegan keto. Personally I eat as my Grandmother and Father rised me to eat, and thats how its gonna stay, local produced grass fed lamb, beef and full fat dairy, breads, seasonal fruits and veggies, local produced honey etc.
My dad never ate poultry or fish (though he did use cod liver oil daily), he never had a takeout in his life, never used a mircowave, cooked in steel pots and pans, etc. He also liked a wee whiskey night cap.
He was a very strong, had a vice like grip and a cracking overhand right and left hook yet never set foot in a gym.

I never have stomach or bowel issues eating like this, I alter my calories based on what my training focus is, depending on whether its a strength focus or fat loss / muscle maintenance. The issues begin when I ate Asian takeouts or exotic fruits, nuts, grains etc. But each to their own.


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entsminger

Virginia, USA

PTDaniel wrote:
Presently I eat almost exclusively animal products. I don't eat grains, seeds, or any vegetables. Occasionally I will eat some fruit. On my last bulk I realized my body is sensitive to something or things in plants. I began to get extreme bloating in my abdomen and have had it for a while. I actually began to crap blood 6 or so times a day. I'm not talking about little specs in the feces either. There would be literally a pool of red in the toilet when I finished.

I've only been doing an animal based diet for about 2 weeks. Within a day the blood stopped. My abdominal distension is gone. I never realized how bad it has been over the years until it went away.

I no longer have severe insomnia. A typical night of sleep without medication for me would have me waking every 15- 30 minutes. Even with medication I was starting to wake at least 6 times a night. Now without any medication I'm down to waking twice a night. My energy levels and mood are greatly enhanced. I'm also much more social.


== Scott==
Do sharks run in your family or maybe Eskimos? They pretty eat only animals but they eat everything , bones and all. Sounds like what you are doing is a bit extreme with no vegetables etc. I think you just gotta figure which one buggs you.
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Crotalus

PTDaniel wrote:
I'm not talking about little specs in the feces either. There would be literally a pool of red in the toilet when I finished.


Did you have this checked out yet ?

A friend experienced the same thing and fortunately it was only hemorrhoids. Have any history of hemorrhoids before this passing of blood ?
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Grant D.

Illinois, USA

... after decades and generations of glutenous and carb rich diets, one will feel incredible once the body recovers and begins to operate without distractions. As I've said, in my case, it is an eleven day window. Even now, it feels miraculous when I role out of the mental fog and aches and pains associated with these battles. Even I, the best exercise student, occasionally relapses into carbs ... though very slight, but potentially devastating nevertheless.

In this regard ... Miracles are Possible! (relative)

CAUTION ... it is very hard to start
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PTDaniel

entsminger wrote:
PTDaniel wrote:
Presently I eat almost exclusively animal products. I don't eat grains, seeds, or any vegetables. Occasionally I will eat some fruit. On my last bulk I realized my body is sensitive to something or things in plants. I began to get extreme bloating in my abdomen and have had it for a while. I actually began to crap blood 6 or so times a day. I'm not talking about little specs in the feces either. There would be literally a pool of red in the toilet when I finished.

== Scott==
Do sharks run in your family or maybe Eskimos? They pretty eat only animals but they eat everything , bones and all. Sounds like what you are doing is a bit extreme with no vegetables etc. I think you just gotta figure which one buggs you.



My great grandfather was MicMak and most of my recent ancestors are from northeastern Canada. I know it wasn't a hemorrhoid because a hemorrhoid wouldn't explain why my 17 year battle with chronic insomnia suddenly ended. I've had to take drugs to sleep since 2002. If I didn't take anything my insomnia would have me sleeping 10- 45 minutes and waking as of the last few years. I stopped meds cold turkey because I ran out at the same time I started eating mostly animal products. I only woke up 4 times my first night without the meds on the new diet.

I've tried some fruit. Pineapple is OK. I tried watermelon, but that gave me gas and turned my feces to soft serve ice cream. It may have been the seeds in the watermelon. Wheat was definitely the worst. It would bloat my abdomen so much I would have to exhale before I could bend over and tie my shoes. I tried gluten free grain products, but they were almost as bad.

I'm assuming my gut is damaged, so I'm hesitant to try to add anything new. I'm waiting for my new insurance to kick in before I schedule a visit with a doctor.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

PTDaniel wrote:
entsminger wrote:
PTDaniel wrote:
Presently I eat almost exclusively animal products. I don't eat grains, seeds, or any vegetables. Occasionally I will eat some fruit. On my last bulk I realized my body is sensitive to something or things in plants. I began to get extreme bloating in my abdomen and have had it for a while. I actually began to crap blood 6 or so times a day. I'm not talking about little specs in the feces either. There would be literally a pool of red in the toilet when I finished.

== Scott==
Do sharks run in your family or maybe Eskimos? They pretty eat only animals but they eat everything , bones and all. Sounds like what you are doing is a bit extreme with no vegetables etc. I think you just gotta figure which one buggs you.


My great grandfather was MicMak and most of my recent ancestors are from northeastern Canada. I know it wasn't a hemorrhoid because a hemorrhoid wouldn't explain why my 17 year battle with chronic insomnia suddenly ended. I've had to take drugs to sleep since 2002. If I didn't take anything my insomnia would have me sleeping 10- 45 minutes and waking as of the last few years. I stopped meds cold turkey because I ran out at the same time I started eating mostly animal products. I only woke up 4 times my first night without the meds on the new diet.

I've tried some fruit. Pineapple is OK. I tried watermelon, but that gave me gas and turned my feces to soft serve ice cream. It may have been the seeds in the watermelon. Wheat was definitely the worst. It would bloat my abdomen so much I would have to exhale before I could bend over and tie my shoes. I tried gluten free grain products, but they were almost as bad.

I'm assuming my gut is damaged, so I'm hesitant to try to add anything new. I'm waiting for my new insurance to kick in before I schedule a visit with a doctor.


== Scott ==
It sounds like you may have Diverticulitis . It?s when pockets develope in your intestines , certain foods ( like vegetables, fruits and grain products) which tend to get chewed into smaller pieces get stuck in the pockets. They rot and that causes gas and bloating and blood in the feces. It?s very common among those of northern heritage.
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dipsrule

Pennsylvania, USA

oldbutsteady wrote:
Grant,

Post one conclusive study that proves gluten is bad for a person and I do mean absolutely beyond any doubt.



The last thing I want to do is agree with Grant.

I have celiac disease. Do a google searchand find out about what gluten can do to someone who has celiac if they continue to gluten.


https://celiac.org/...celiac-disease/

The bottom of the page cites studies





Also the study should not be paid for by a large food producing company that is making more money off its gluten-free line.

Lastly, human beings are omnivores not carnivores you should learn the difference. Eating a well balanced diet with no highly processed or refined foods and following a seasonal eating pattern as foods become available is eating for success. Not your moronic 3-1 protein fat ratio as if we are 4 legged carnivores.

Sheesh, stop reading and regurgitating, that proves a lack of ability to reason for yourself as does your never ending changing of your routine every time one of your "special" authors releases a new book.

OBS


What may be good for you and others could be really bad for me.
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oldbutsteady

dipsrule,

I don't mean to be contrary but I think you are missing my point.

We all are biologically the same, if one has an allergy or a disease that might change one's dietary needs that is understandable but assuming you have an issue and actually having an issue is not the same.

Gluten is the new dietary concern of the moment, most have and will never have an issue with gluten, this is not my opinion this is fact.

Gluten is not man made, it is natural and has been part of the human diet for centuries without issues for the vast majority. This is also fact.

I realize removing gluten from their diet is required for some, historically they just removed grain products from their diet. They didn't have or need the option of purchasing gluten free grain products to bypass their health issue.

Gluten became an issue when the large food corporations realized they could create a new line of products and charge a premium price for them. Creating this line for those that truly need them is not financially sound for corporations due to the small number (same reason why some medicine is not brought to market or when some medicines come to market it costs thousands of dollars), however, creating an issue where many will purchasing this product line based on hysteria and BS negates this financial problem. This is also fact (this is how Corporations sell us crap we don't need, marketing 101).

Lastly, I don't care if some parroting nut thinks avoiding grains is healthier for themselves but when they become a condescending ass to all those around them on the matter, I'll speak up every time. Sorry if that bother some, it is in my nature to point out lies and BS.

People should fully investigate the facts before they speak for all, Grant the Oracle of all weight trainers...

OBS
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hit4me

Florida, USA

oldbutsteady wrote:
dipsrule,

I don't mean to be contrary but I think you are missing my point.

We all are biologically the same, if one has an allergy or a disease that might change one's dietary needs that is understandable but assuming you have an issue and actually having an issue is not the same.

Gluten is the new dietary concern of the moment, most have and will never have an issue with gluten, this is not my opinion this is fact.

Gluten is not man made, it is natural and has been part of the human diet for centuries without issues for the vast majority. This is also fact.

I realize removing gluten from their diet is required for some, historically they just removed grain products from their diet. They didn't have or need the option of purchasing gluten free grain products to bypass their health issue.

Gluten became an issue when the large food corporations realized they could create a new line of products and charge a premium price for them. Creating this line for those that truly need them is not financially sound for corporations due to the small number (same reason why some medicine is not brought to market or when some medicines come to market it costs thousands of dollars), however, creating an issue where many will purchasing this product line based on hysteria and BS negates this financial problem. This is also fact (this is how Corporations sell us crap we don't need, marketing 101).

Lastly, I don't care if some parroting nut thinks avoiding grains is healthier for themselves but when they become a condescending ass to all those around them on the matter, I'll speak up every time. Sorry if that bother some, it is in my nature to point out lies and BS.

People should fully investigate the facts before they speak for all, Grant the Oracle of all weight trainers...

OBS


you are correct that humans have been consuming grains for centuries with very small percentage of digestive issues......however, the problem lies with the hybridization of grains in the past 50 years....the proteins of the grains went from genome of 8 proteins to a genome of a minimum of 16 proteins...and due to this change, the human digestive system has not had the time to adapt, and this may take a generaton or two.....therefore, the percentages of digestive issues has increased dramatically

so this would be why it becomes an individual issue
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hit4me,

Edited:

I agree 100%. One must make sure they are eating the proper grains. The big box stuff that is refined or genetically altered is the problem.

Stick with organic of the heirloom variety and one should have no issue.

Ezekiel bread is my standard fare and local artisan bread with heirloom grains (is a bit pricey though).

OBS
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Average Al

oldbutsteady wrote:
dipsrule,


Gluten became an issue when the large food corporations realized they could create a new line of products and charge a premium price for them. Creating this line for those that truly need them is not financially sound for corporations due to the small number (same reason why some medicine is not brought to market or when some medicines come to market it costs thousands of dollars), however, creating an issue where many will purchasing this product line based on hysteria and BS negates this financial problem. This is also fact (this is how Corporations sell us crap we don't need, marketing 101).



I don't think the food industry created the concern about gluten to drive the sale of gluten free products.

I think gluten free diets became trendy via the alternative health community, and then the food industry capitalized on that trend by introducing products to serve a new market. Rice chex were always gluten free. They didn't start carrying that label until after consumers started to believe that was important.

You saw the same thing happen when the government first began recommending low fat diets: there was an explosion of low fat (and high sugar) snack foods to serve people interesting in cutting down on fat intake.

The same thing is now happening with ketogenic diets. First, keto became trendy. Then everybody with a food blender began crafting keto friendly snacks and junk food. Bigger companies are sure to follow this trend.

The big food companies jump on these trends once they start to take off, because new products and new markets are a path to higher profits.
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oldbutsteady

Avg. Al,

You make valid points.

I say the big corps created this because they began the wholesale use of gmo grain and highly refined grain products. When I was young I do not remember this being and issue for anyone or even hearing about it.

I agree with you, the health nuts are always on the cutting edge but they often get a bit carried away and frequently are wrong.

I think unless one has an allergy or an actual disease, they'd be able to eat Ezekiel bread without issue. Unfortunately I have no way to prove or disprove that statement.

OBS
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HeavyHitter32

hit4me wrote:
oldbutsteady wrote:
dipsrule,

I don't mean to be contrary but I think you are missing my point.

We all are biologically the same, if one has an allergy or a disease that might change one's dietary needs that is understandable but assuming you have an issue and actually having an issue is not the same.

Gluten is the new dietary concern of the moment, most have and will never have an issue with gluten, this is not my opinion this is fact.

Gluten is not man made, it is natural and has been part of the human diet for centuries without issues for the vast majority. This is also fact.

I realize removing gluten from their diet is required for some, historically they just removed grain products from their diet. They didn't have or need the option of purchasing gluten free grain products to bypass their health issue.

Gluten became an issue when the large food corporations realized they could create a new line of products and charge a premium price for them. Creating this line for those that truly need them is not financially sound for corporations due to the small number (same reason why some medicine is not brought to market or when some medicines come to market it costs thousands of dollars), however, creating an issue where many will purchasing this product line based on hysteria and BS negates this financial problem. This is also fact (this is how Corporations sell us crap we don't need, marketing 101).

Lastly, I don't care if some parroting nut thinks avoiding grains is healthier for themselves but when they become a condescending ass to all those around them on the matter, I'll speak up every time. Sorry if that bother some, it is in my nature to point out lies and BS.

People should fully investigate the facts before they speak for all, Grant the Oracle of all weight trainers...

OBS


you are correct that humans have been consuming grains for centuries with very small percentage of digestive issues......however, the problem lies with the hybridization of grains in the past 50 years....the proteins of the grains went from genome of 8 proteins to a genome of a minimum of 16 proteins...and due to this change, the human digestive system has not had the time to adapt, and this may take a generaton or two.....therefore, the percentages of digestive issues has increased dramatically

so this would be why it becomes an individual issue


I think not only refined grains, but the whole host of other things have contributed to digestive problems: Soda/pop, fast foods, other highly processed foods, excessive alcohol, etc. The last 50 years has introduced a lot of garbage especially with the advent of microwaves and explosion of fast food "restaurants".
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hit4me

Florida, USA

oldbutsteady wrote:
hit4me,

Edited:

I agree 100%. One must make sure they are eating the proper grains. The big box stuff that is refined or genetically altered is the problem.

Stick with organic of the heirloom variety and one should have no issue.

Ezekiel bread is my standard fare and local artisan bread with heirloom grains (is a bit pricey though).

OBS


I love ezekial bread
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PTDaniel

entsminger wrote:
PTDaniel wrote:
entsminger wrote:
PTDaniel wrote:
Presently I eat almost exclusively animal products. I don't eat grains, seeds, or any vegetables. Occasionally I will eat some fruit. On my last bulk I realized my body is sensitive to something or things in plants. I began to get extreme bloating in my abdomen and have had it for a while. I actually began to crap blood 6 or so times a day. I'm not talking about little specs in the feces either. There would be literally a pool of red in the toilet when I finished.

== Scott==
Do sharks run in your family or maybe Eskimos? They pretty eat only animals but they eat everything , bones and all. Sounds like what you are doing is a bit extreme with no vegetables etc. I think you just gotta figure which one buggs you.


My great grandfather was MicMak and most of my recent ancestors are from northeastern Canada. I know it wasn't a hemorrhoid because a hemorrhoid wouldn't explain why my 17 year battle with chronic insomnia suddenly ended. I've had to take drugs to sleep since 2002. If I didn't take anything my insomnia would have me sleeping 10- 45 minutes and waking as of the last few years. I stopped meds cold turkey because I ran out at the same time I started eating mostly animal products. I only woke up 4 times my first night without the meds on the new diet.

I've tried some fruit. Pineapple is OK. I tried watermelon, but that gave me gas and turned my feces to soft serve ice cream. It may have been the seeds in the watermelon. Wheat was definitely the worst. It would bloat my abdomen so much I would have to exhale before I could bend over and tie my shoes. I tried gluten free grain products, but they were almost as bad.

I'm assuming my gut is damaged, so I'm hesitant to try to add anything new. I'm waiting for my new insurance to kick in before I schedule a visit with a doctor.


== Scott ==
It sounds like you may have Diverticulitis . It?s when pockets develope in your intestines , certain foods ( like vegetables, fruits and grain products) which tend to get chewed into smaller pieces get stuck in the pockets. They rot and that causes gas and bloating and blood in the feces. It?s very common among those of northern heritage.


I don't think I have diverticulitis. I can currently eat hundreds of grams of animal protein and over a dozen eggs a day without any issue. I eat almost zero grams of fiber per day and fiber is supposed to ease diverticulitis. Eating almost exclusively animal products has reversed all of my symptoms. I still drink coffee and am a kombucha junkie however.

I'm waiting for my new health insurance to kick in before I find a new primary care physician and get a colonoscopy to see what's going on in there.
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PTDaniel

There are no nutrients humans require in plants that can't be found in animals. The reverse is not true however.
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