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Equity

It appears other than Dr.Darden's specialisation routines, not enough is afforded in terms of volume/ sub maximal work for slow and intermediate twitch fibers. Leading to slower than could be progress.... Discuss...
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

===Scott==
It appears how?
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hit4me

Florida, USA

Equity wrote:
It appears other than Dr.Darden's specialisation routines, not enough is afforded in terms of volume/ sub maximal work for slow and intermediate twitch fibers. Leading to slower than could be progress.... Discuss...


prove it

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Equity

In most trainees. Anecdotal I agree but 'scientific' studies are a crap barometer.
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Equity

The elephant in the room 'disappears' how!!!

Ask Turpin about volume and see what he says. (Don't want to drag other people into this argument but needs must).
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Equity

Disprove it?

No trolling just logic.
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Equity

I originally posted this question as the forum has crawled to a halt. Other than Sirloin nobody seems to care.

Bring back BDJ!!!
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Nwlifter

All to failure, 1 vs 3.
see attached



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Crotalus

Equity wrote:
Ask Turpin about volume and see what he says. \(Don't want to drag other people into this argument but needs must).


I'll agree that the HIRT approach , in it's 'classic form', is not enough to maximize muscle size in most people. And I'm someone who was dedicated to that way for about 20 years.

This has been argued here from day one and I'm sure it will still go on as long as this forum exists.
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Equity

I'm not saying sets to failure do not work. I was arguing that extra volume / sets should be performed beforehand.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

Equity wrote:
It appears other than Dr.Darden's specialisation routines, not enough is afforded in terms of volume/ sub maximal work for slow and intermediate twitch fibers. Leading to slower than could be progress.... Discuss...


---Scott----
So are you saying not enough volume results in slower progress? Just trying to understand what you are asking.
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Equity

A chart by somebody unrelated to HIT?

Sorry but try 3 sets vs 1 and see how it affects the volume of your muscles.

Have a good day as you seem a benevolent person
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Equity

Yes.

Sub-maximal sets then a set to failure.
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Nwlifter

Equity wrote:
A chart by somebody unrelated to HIT?

Sorry but try 3 sets vs 1 and see how it affects the volume of your muscles.

Have a good day as you seem a benevolent person




I have done this, 3 times I ceased all training and trained one arm with volume, one with SSTF, all 3 times the 3+ set arm grew more than the SSTF arm.

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Equity

Although not necessarily, a few hard sets,short of failure can do the job nicely. Cumulative Fatigue Training has given me the best results recently although I grab my dumbbells and crank out a set to failure out of time constraints.
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Nwlifter

Equity wrote:
A chart by somebody unrelated to HIT?

Sorry but try 3 sets vs 1 and see how it affects the volume of your muscles.

Have a good day as you seem a benevolent person


Re-reading your post I'm confused... the chart (if that's what your referring to) shows 3 sets induced way more protein synthesis over a single set, and seems to agree with what your saying in your posts, yet is sounds like you don't agree with the chart that is supporting what your saying?

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entsminger

Virginia, USA

Equity wrote:
A chart by somebody unrelated to HIT?

Sorry but try 3 sets vs 1 and see how it affects the volume of your muscles.

Have a good day as you seem a benevolent person


---Scott---
I've stated many times on here how my best results , as far as muscle size building is concerned , were with three sets , not one , but it was with higher reps decending to lower reps with a slight chest st the end to get a few more reps. Oh my god!! I just realized I was outroading and destroying my joints! Don't tell Grant!
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Crotalus

Equity wrote

Sub-maximal sets then a set to failure.


This is how Dorian trained HIT ... two sub max sets then one to failure. I think it's a great way to train. Two sets done as Dr. Ken's '50% Sets' is another excellent way to do more than one set.
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Equity

I must apologise here. Yes I interpreted the graph incorrectly.

All the best.

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hit4me

Florida, USA

why is everyone saying do three sets...why stop there, why not perform 6 sets per body part like Leroy Colbert, or how about 15 sets like Arnold
or 8 sets of 8 like vince gironda or 10 sets of 10 like the german volume training method or 1 or 2 warmups sets and 1 set to failure like Yates, how about 1 set like the Colorado experiment...or 1 set of 15 to 25 reps like Callard
Labrada and Haney trained to stimulate not annhiliate with 4 sets of 8
or even better perform 1 set once a month like the mighty Grant

my point in all this is exactly what Arnold said in an interview, there are a 1000 right ways to train, find what works for you and have fun training

hence the reason I say "prove it"...anyone can show a graph and put up studies...they mean nothing if it does not work for the individual training in the gym

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PTDaniel

Much like you train your capacity to increase loads over time, you train your capacity to increase volume over time.
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Equity

Good point. Although this would be extending on my original post.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

==Scott==
3 sets worked well for me years ago but the other day for kicks I went back to it for a workout and it really wiped me out. I'm not near the shape I was when I was doing it consistently. As just said on here it takes time to build up to handling more load and volume.I'm guessing it could take me months to get back into the shape to be able to push hard on 3 sets and recover in a reasonable time so I could workout 2 or 3 times a week.
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Nwlifter

hit4me wrote:
why is everyone saying do three sets...why stop there, why not perform 6 sets per body part like Leroy Colbert, or how about 15 sets like Arnold
or 8 sets of 8 like vince gironda or 10 sets of 10 like the german volume training method or 1 or 2 warmups sets and 1 set to failure like Yates, how about 1 set like the Colorado experiment...or 1 set of 15 to 25 reps like Callard
Labrada and Haney trained to stimulate not annhiliate with 4 sets of 8
or even better perform 1 set once a month like the mighty Grant

my point in all this is exactly what Arnold said in an interview, there are a 1000 right ways to train, find what works for you and have fun training

hence the reason I say "prove it"...anyone can show a graph and put up studies...they mean nothing if it does not work for the individual training in the gym



True, but that's not the point of 'studies or graphs', they show one part of the equation, for example, that doing more does stimulate 'more'. Even HIT people know this, look at Darden's specialization programs, what do they recommend? MORE exercises (aka sets) for the muscles needing more growth. Knowing that, allows the person to 'fit' and 'adjust' those things into their individual training program.
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HDLou

Equity wrote:
I'm not saying sets to failure do not work. I was arguing that extra volume / sets should be performed beforehand.


Sure. Warm up sets can be important.
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