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simon-hecubus

Texas, USA

entsminger wrote:
Any time you are throwing big tires or medicine balls around,doing hit on Nautilus machines or even playing hop scotch is a thousand times more productive than siting on your ass at a computer and writing about it.


Until you tear your biceps, then it becomes the polar opposite of Functional!
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simon-hecubus

Texas, USA

Interesting Photo --- he usually makes an effort to hide his right arm:
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

simon-hecubus wrote:
entsminger wrote:
Any time you are throwing big tires or medicine balls around,doing hit on Nautilus machines or even playing hop scotch is a thousand times more productive than siting on your ass at a computer and writing about it.

Until you tear your biceps, then it becomes the polar opposite of Functional!


== Scott ==
Even Mr Wonderful Yates has torn muscles and he mostly uses Nautilus.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

I always found that definition of terms was one of the biggest problems on this website.

== Scott ==
This what is functional and what isn?t fuss is a good example of much time wasted arguing over wording. At this point I?m unclear why Bill started this thread in the first place. He must have known that the anal nature of folks on here is to argue everything to infinity and beyond!
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hit4me

Florida, USA

entsminger wrote:
simon-hecubus wrote:
entsminger wrote:
Any time you are throwing big tires or medicine balls around,doing hit on Nautilus machines or even playing hop scotch is a thousand times more productive than siting on your ass at a computer and writing about it.

Until you tear your biceps, then it becomes the polar opposite of Functional!

== Scott ==
Even Mr Wonderful Yates has torn muscles and he mostly uses Nautilus.


Yates used explosive movements on the nautilus.....Jones, Darden and Mentzer did not preach explosive..
I found out myself that explosive movements cause injuries
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

hit4me wrote:
entsminger wrote:
simon-hecubus wrote:
entsminger wrote:
Any time you are throwing big tires or medicine balls around,doing hit on Nautilus machines or even playing hop scotch is a thousand times more productive than siting on your ass at a computer and writing about it.

Until you tear your biceps, then it becomes the polar opposite of Functional!

== Scott ==
Even Mr Wonderful Yates has torn muscles and he mostly uses Nautilus.

Yates used explosive movements on the nautilus.....Jones, Darden and Mentzer did not preach explosive..
I found out myself that explosive movements cause injuries


==Scott==
Yes, explosive movements have a far higher likely hood of causing an injury. Even though I made my best progress with cheating I knew it could be dangerous so I quit it. On the other hand though rolling around big tires or swinging kettle bells or whatever does not have to be explosive.
I just watched a segment of the Worlds Strongest Man Atlas Ball event. Those guys lifting a giant 400 pound ball don't do it explosively but it sure could do some damage to your back etc.Explosiveness is only one factor.
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ptcrusader

I enjoy discussion as long as it is civil. It seems that definitions are not commonly shared. "About Functional Strength Training" by Antoni Luke-Akagi, Equinox Fitness Clubs states:

In the traditional definition, functional strength training is the practice of motion against resistance, with an objective of improving a participant's ability to perform a specific athletic activity. However... functional strength training has taken a different course ? today, functional strength training is a range of total-body activities that build strength, balance and coordination for general fitness, and improve your ability to perform general, day-to-day activities.

...Two terms key to functional strength training are "user defined" motion, which means you aren't limited to a specific motion path in your exercises, and 'planes of motion."...
basically, traditional "selectorized" machines... limit your motion to a single, specific path, while free weights or functional training equipment allow you to choose your motion"

Using this definition, wouldn't all free weight trainers be doing "functional exercise?"
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SWISS-HIT

@ entsminger

And again why are you here? This is a forum?

And it is very interesting to read and trying to understand what the other means. We might learn something from each or we will rethink our positions.

According to you, the discussion should go like:

What do think you about functional training?

You: its fun.
Me: total bullsh...

Discussion closed.

At least i made an effort to explain my point of view....
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SWISS-HIT

Meant that in an ironic way. I wrote a small list what is seen as functional. And that list itself explains that everthing and nothing can be seen as functional..
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hit4me

Florida, USA

entsminger wrote:
hit4me wrote:
entsminger wrote:
simon-hecubus wrote:
entsminger wrote:
Any time you are throwing big tires or medicine balls around,doing hit on Nautilus machines or even playing hop scotch is a thousand times more productive than siting on your ass at a computer and writing about it.

Until you tear your biceps, then it becomes the polar opposite of Functional!

== Scott ==
Even Mr Wonderful Yates has torn muscles and he mostly uses Nautilus.

Yates used explosive movements on the nautilus.....Jones, Darden and Mentzer did not preach explosive..
I found out myself that explosive movements cause injuries


==Scott==
Yes, explosive movements have a far higher likely hood of causing an injury. Even though I made my best progress with cheating I knew it could be dangerous so I quit it. On the other hand though rolling around big tires or swinging kettle bells or whatever does not have to be explosive.
I just watched a segment of the Worlds Strongest Man Atlas Ball event. Those guys lifting a giant 400 pound ball don't do it explosively but it sure could do some damage to your back etc.Explosiveness is only one factor.


the injury from lifting that giant 400 lb ball would be from being in a hurry because its a timed event and due to being in a hurry, your form would be compromised........so yes, explosiveness is only one factor
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

SWISS-HIT wrote:
@ entsminger

And again why are you here? This is forum?

And it is very interesting to read and trying to understand what the other means. We might learn something from each other we will rethink our positions.

According to you, the discussion should go like:

What do think you about functional training?

You: its fun.
Me: total bullsh...

Discussion closed.

At least i made an effort to explain my point of view....


== Scott ==
You obviously haven?t read everything I?ve said .
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

SWISS-HIT wrote:
@ entsminger

And again why are you here? This is forum?

And it is very interesting to read and trying to understand what the other means. We might learn something from each other we will rethink our positions.

According to you, the discussion should go like:

What do think you about functional training?

You: its fun.
Me: total bullsh...

Discussion closed.

At least i made an effort to explain my point of view....


== Scott==
So how is saying it?s total BS explaining your point of view?
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SWISS-HIT

No in my first and especially in my fourth post i went pretty much into detail.

Read it again..
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SWISS-HIT

Keyser S? wrote:
entsminger wrote:
My point was from the beginning, by following the discussion, that functional training as it is advertised is a waste of time.

For many reasons:
1. What is functional training and who gets to decide what functional is? What makes it functional?

==Scott==
So someone called or labeled something they or someone else was doing as functional training.It's as clear as mud what is actual functional training and to be perfectly honest at this point in this gone on far too long discussion, who the hell cares. Is all this back and forth fuss really worth it to resolve what is functional training and will it ever get resolved here where the only real training is the type Jones promoted? No to both !

I always found that definition of terms was one of the biggest problems on this website.


Yeah if you want to get really crazy than google it. Leading ????experts???? on functional training do nowadays agree that they agree on nothing when it comes to that term...lol
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

https://www.youtube.com/...h?v=AZmdw9_vAX8

==Scott==
These Worlds Strongest men contests are full of activities that might be considered Non Congruent/not safe to perform. This video shows what happened when Columbo got to going too fast. I wonder if he would have made it through if he went much slower? It's simply amazing how Columbo did compared to guys almost twice his size and most of the events were similar in concept of throwing around big tires.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

https://www.youtube.com/...h?v=3ltyEd6obIM

==Scott==
Now I'm not trying to promote the idea of "functional training" but this video gives you something to think about. Pfister competed against some hulks and did so supposedly drug free so whatever he was doing seemed to work!
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Keyser S?

entsminger wrote:
SWISS-HIT wrote:
@ entsminger

And again why are you here? This is forum?

And it is very interesting to read and trying to understand what the other means. We might learn something from each other we will rethink our positions.

According to you, the discussion should go like:

What do think you about functional training?

You: its fun.
Me: total bullsh...

Discussion closed.

At least i made an effort to explain my point of view....

== Scott==
So how is saying it?s total BS explaining your point of view?


It seems that what he wrote was intended to be a slightly comical interpretation of how, in his opinion, you suggested the conversation ideally should have gone.

IE you both state your beliefs and make no attempt to change each others minds or reach a consensus. Then move on.

Which I think if nothing else would be a good best practice model for discussing politics these days. Except for the option of not discussing it of course.
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Resultsbased

I don't understand how people can claim there is no such thing as functional training. Typically, these same people claim it's all about strength, etc.
What if someone has pronation distortion syndrome? Should they just focus on lifting more weight? It would seem that corrective exercise and a bit of "functional training" would be appropriate.
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hit4me

Florida, USA

Resultsbased wrote:
I don't understand how people can claim there is no such thing as functional training. Typically, these same people claim it's all about strength, etc.
What if someone has pronation distortion syndrome? Should they just focus on lifting more weight? It would seem that corrective exercise and a bit of "functional training" would be appropriate.


there is nothing wrong with functional (or whatever you want to call it) training as long as it is done safely....i.e. very little stress on the joints and spine
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Keyser S?

hit4me wrote:

(or whatever you want to call it)


Seems like an odd thing to say given that the thread title has forced us to ascribe meaning to the term rather than the other way around.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

Keyser S? wrote:
hit4me wrote:

(or whatever you want to call it)

Seems like an odd thing to say given that the thread title has forced us to ascribe meaning to the term rather than the other way around.


==Scott==
I think this thread has gone off the deep end as far as arguing over what exactly is functional training ( thanks to those like David)! and has never really addressed if it?s actually good or bad. I think it?s been pretty clear from the get go that the functional training referred to here is the form of training where they roll Big tires around, throw around medicine and kettle bells etc etc. we?ve all seen that and know what it is. Can we move on now to it?s relevance to De Simone?s stuff ?
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