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epdavis7

I run because I enjoy it, but for body composition resistance training and diet is far more important. I?m running a Half Marathon in Williamsburg this coming Saturday and guaranteed there will be plenty of pudgy folks who run non stop and finish and some with decent times. For a lot of folks, chronic cardio is a vicious cycle of over eating Pizza, doughnuts, cheeseburgers, Gu gels, energy drinks, Gatorade etc and running lots of mileage. The elites in running are a particular genetic body type but can develop heart disease just like a couch potato and a mid pack runner.
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hit4me

Florida, USA

epdavis7 wrote:
I run because I enjoy it, but for body composition resistance training and diet is far more important. I?m running a Half Marathon in Williamsburg this coming Saturday and guaranteed there will be plenty of pudgy folks who run non stop and finish and some with decent times. For a lot of folks, chronic cardio is a vicious cycle of over eating Pizza, doughnuts, cheeseburgers, Gu gels, energy drinks, Gatorade etc and running lots of mileage. The elites in running are a particular genetic body type but can develop heart disease just like a couch potato and a mid pack runner.


was involved in a 5k this past weekend and there were a lot of pudgy, soft runners
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epdavis7

hit4me wrote:
epdavis7 wrote:
I run because I enjoy it, but for body composition resistance training and diet is far more important. I?m running a Half Marathon in Williamsburg this coming Saturday and guaranteed there will be plenty of pudgy folks who run non stop and finish and some with decent times. For a lot of folks, chronic cardio is a vicious cycle of over eating Pizza, doughnuts, cheeseburgers, Gu gels, energy drinks, Gatorade etc and running lots of mileage. The elites in running are a particular genetic body type but can develop heart disease just like a couch potato and a mid pack runner.

was involved in a 5k this past weekend and there were a lot of pudgy, soft runners


I don't know how many times Ive seen someone get out of a car with a 13.1 or 26.2 sticker on their vehicle that barely look like they exercise. Not downplaying the achievement, because it takes some discipline and mental fortitude to do that, but if you overeat junk (or even healthy food) and don't resistance train that is the look you will have. As I mentioned, the true elites of runners (top 3 finishers) will have a certain natural build conducive to being an extraordinary runner for a particular distance. I'm a mid pack guy with a little more muscle than the folks running around me. Much like elite bodybuilders or weightlifters have certain given genetic traits.
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DuzHIT

hit4me wrote:
epdavis7 wrote:
I run because I enjoy it, but for body composition resistance training and diet is far more important. I?m running a Half Marathon in Williamsburg this coming Saturday and guaranteed there will be plenty of pudgy folks who run non stop and finish and some with decent times. For a lot of folks, chronic cardio is a vicious cycle of over eating Pizza, doughnuts, cheeseburgers, Gu gels, energy drinks, Gatorade etc and running lots of mileage. The elites in running are a particular genetic body type but can develop heart disease just like a couch potato and a mid pack runner.



was involved in a 5k this past weekend and there were a lot of pudgy, soft runners


But , hey, at least their V02 max got a workout. Maybe.
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epdavis7

DuzHIT wrote:
hit4me wrote:
epdavis7 wrote:
I run because I enjoy it, but for body composition resistance training and diet is far more important. I?m running a Half Marathon in Williamsburg this coming Saturday and guaranteed there will be plenty of pudgy folks who run non stop and finish and some with decent times. For a lot of folks, chronic cardio is a vicious cycle of over eating Pizza, doughnuts, cheeseburgers, Gu gels, energy drinks, Gatorade etc and running lots of mileage. The elites in running are a particular genetic body type but can develop heart disease just like a couch potato and a mid pack runner.



was involved in a 5k this past weekend and there were a lot of pudgy, soft runners


But , hey, at least their V02 max got a workout. Maybe.


Lol...in all fairness I didnt see anyone quite that big, but yeah I get what you are saying.
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HeavyHitter32

epdavis7 wrote:
I run because I enjoy it, but for body composition resistance training and diet is far more important. I?m running a Half Marathon in Williamsburg this coming Saturday and guaranteed there will be plenty of pudgy folks who run non stop and finish and some with decent times. For a lot of folks, chronic cardio is a vicious cycle of over eating Pizza, doughnuts, cheeseburgers, Gu gels, energy drinks, Gatorade etc and running lots of mileage. The elites in running are a particular genetic body type but can develop heart disease just like a couch potato and a mid pack runner.


Cleveland Clinic (several years back) had a very interesting article that discussed some of the dangers associated with marathon running. In some people, the same enzyme that is released during a heart attack was released with some runners. Mind you, it was a small percentage, but it goes to show how excessive training of any kind can be a serious negative.
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Equity

HeavyHitter32 wrote:
epdavis7 wrote:
I run because I enjoy it, but for body composition resistance training and diet is far more important. I?m running a Half Marathon in Williamsburg this coming Saturday and guaranteed there will be plenty of pudgy folks who run non stop and finish and some with decent times. For a lot of folks, chronic cardio is a vicious cycle of over eating Pizza, doughnuts, cheeseburgers, Gu gels, energy drinks, Gatorade etc and running lots of mileage. The elites in running are a particular genetic body type but can develop heart disease just like a couch potato and a mid pack runner.

Cleveland Clinic (several years back)had a very interesting article that discussed some of the dangers associated with marathon running. In some people, the same enzyme that is released during a heart attack was released with some runners. Mind you, it was a small percentage, but it goes to show how excessive training of any kind can be a serious negative.


In regards to lifting, I'm thinking the same. Were the detractors of weight training right after all? Straining ourselves beyond healthy limits?
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epdavis7

Equity wrote:
HeavyHitter32 wrote:
epdavis7 wrote:
I run because I enjoy it, but for body composition resistance training and diet is far more important. I?m running a Half Marathon in Williamsburg this coming Saturday and guaranteed there will be plenty of pudgy folks who run non stop and finish and some with decent times. For a lot of folks, chronic cardio is a vicious cycle of over eating Pizza, doughnuts, cheeseburgers, Gu gels, energy drinks, Gatorade etc and running lots of mileage. The elites in running are a particular genetic body type but can develop heart disease just like a couch potato and a mid pack runner.

Cleveland Clinic (several years back)had a very interesting article that discussed some of the dangers associated with marathon running. In some people, the same enzyme that is released during a heart attack was released with some runners. Mind you, it was a small percentage, but it goes to show how excessive training of any kind can be a serious negative.


In regards to lifting, I'm thinking the same. Were the detractors of weight training right after all? Straining ourselves beyond healthy limits?


Agree with both you gents. On the weightlifting side I avoid "beyond failure" methods ie go to regular failure, do some forced reps, then do negatives to failure. I tend to go to straight failure and continue to push for about 10 seconds to ensure I'm not gold bricking, but no more than that.

On the running side I used to run a lot farther than I do now and more frequently. I do half marathons max now. Even then, that may be too much in the long run. I'm an odd bird and only run once a week (10 mile run max in training at a faster than half marathon pace). If I run multiple times a week the gains I get aren't worth the injuries I get. Most of my serious running friends are extreme carbaholics (and not the good kind of carbs), but they are great runners. Incidentally or coincedentally (you decide) some of my older running friends are suffering from some of the same issues as couch potatoes (hypertension, high cholesterol, high triglycerides, soft and pudgy) despite running their asses off. I eat clean most of the time and stick to a paleoish diet and get most of my carbs from fruit and sweet potatoes. Sometimes though you just have to have some pizza and a beer lol.
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Equity

epdavis7 wrote:
Equity wrote:
HeavyHitter32 wrote:
epdavis7 wrote:
I run because I enjoy it, but for body composition resistance training and diet is far more important. I?m running a Half Marathon in Williamsburg this coming Saturday and guaranteed there will be plenty of pudgy folks who run non stop and finish and some with decent times. For a lot of folks, chronic cardio is a vicious cycle of over eating Pizza, doughnuts, cheeseburgers, Gu gels, energy drinks, Gatorade etc and running lots of mileage. The elites in running are a particular genetic body type but can develop heart disease just like a couch potato and a mid pack runner.

Cleveland Clinic (several years back)had a very interesting article that discussed some of the dangers associated with marathon running. In some people, the same enzyme that is released during a heart attack was released with some runners. Mind you, it was a small percentage, but it goes to show how excessive training of any kind can be a serious negative.


In regards to lifting, I'm thinking the same. Were the detractors of weight training right after all? Straining ourselves beyond healthy limits?

Agree with both you gents. On the weightlifting side I avoid "beyond failure" methods ie go to regular failure, do some forced reps, then do negatives to failure. I tend to go to straight failure and continue to push for about 10 seconds to ensure I'm not gold bricking, but no more than that.

On the running side I used to run a lot farther than I do now and more frequently. I do half marathons max now. Even then, that may be too much in the long run. I'm an odd bird and only run once a week (10 mile run max in training at a faster than half marathon pace). If I run multiple times a week the gains I get aren't worth the injuries I get. Most of my serious running friends are extreme carbaholics (and not the good kind of carbs), but they are great runners. Incidentally or coincedentally (you decide) some of my older running friends are suffering from some of the same issues as couch potatoes (hypertension, high cholesterol, high triglycerides, soft and pudgy) despite running their asses off. I eat clean most of the time and stick to a paleoish diet and get most of my carbs from fruit and sweet potatoes. Sometimes though you just have to have some pizza and a beer lol.


Members of the British Royal Family have a tendency to live very long... Activity wise?
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plebian

This was a very painful thread to read, mostly on account of the OP's childish behaviour.

13 pages later, I am no more enlightened, informed or otherwise convinced about the topic.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

plebian wrote:
This was a very painful thread to read, mostly on account of the OP's childish behaviour.

13 pages later, I am no more enlightened, informed or otherwise convinced about the topic.


==Scott==
In the opening thread this was stated.
"He writes of timesaving recently - - - perhaps the best timesaving thing is just to not read his new book."
Not reading John Little's book certainly has worked for me because frankly I don't care what Little has to say and even if I did we certainly aren't going to resolve the issue of cardio or not on here.
Next topic, Joe Weider, mystic bodybuilding guru or drug pushing used car salesman/Don King like promoter, ha ha.

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epdavis7

entsminger wrote:
plebian wrote:
This was a very painful thread to read, mostly on account of the OP's childish behaviour.

13 pages later, I am no more enlightened, informed or otherwise convinced about the topic.

==Scott==
In the opening thread this was stated.
"He writes of timesaving recently - - - perhaps the best timesaving thing is just to not read his new book."
Not reading John Little's book certainly has worked for me because frankly I don't care what Little has to say and even if I did we certainly aren't going to resolve the issue of cardio or not on here.
Next topic, Joe Weider, mystic bodybuilding guru or drug pushing used car salesman/Don King like promoter, ha ha.



Definitely made his fortune on worthless supplements and silly magazines with ridiculous training routines. I refer to it as ?Muscle and Fiction.?
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ATP 4 Vitality

plebian wrote:
This was a very painful



The truth can be painful

thread to read, mostly on account of the OP's childish behaviour.


Lot of folks reading this Original Poster's posts. Even you! Your 1st post ever. Welcome!

13 pages later, I am no more enlightened, informed or otherwise convinced about the topic.


The subject of cardiovascular conditioning requires careful dedicated personal study. If you direct your personal study productively, you may understand the nuances of cardiovascular conditioning. Pleasant journey!
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ATP 4 Vitality

entsminger wrote:
plebian wrote:
This was a very painful thread to read, mostly on account of the OP's childish behaviour.

13 pages later, I am no more enlightened, informed or otherwise convinced about the topic.

==Scott==
In the opening thread this was stated.
"He writes of timesaving recently - - - perhaps the best timesaving thing is just to not read his new book."
Not reading John Little's book certainly has worked for me because frankly I don't care what Little has to say and even if I did we certainly aren't going to resolve the issue of cardio or not on here.
Next topic, Joe Weider, mystic bodybuilding guru or drug pushing used car salesman/Don King like promoter, ha ha.



Must be just the post to increase new book sells
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epdavis7

Good but tough race today. Between the cold, rain and crazy hills in Williamsburg, it was challenging. Funny story. At mile 12 a young lady (probably 30) said she had been chasing me since mile one and she wasn?t going to let some old man beat her. Old man? The last part of the race was uphill and she was pulling away from me. Them was fighting words lol. I had to dig down deep and even though my legs were seizing up and it felt like my heart was coming out of my chest, I got a two second lead. I talked to her after the race and she said chasing me down caused her to beat her personal best on that course by 10 minutes. Hey, I?m good for something.
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1958

Texas, USA

epdavis7 wrote:
Good but tough race today. Between the cold, rain and crazy hills in Williamsburg, it was challenging. Funny story. At mile 12 a young lady (probably 30) said she had been chasing me since mile one and she wasn?t going to let some old man beat her. Old man? The last part of the race was uphill and she was pulling away from me. Them was fighting words lol. I had to dig down deep and even though my legs were seizing up and it felt like my heart was coming out of my chest, I got a two second lead. I talked to her after the race and she said chasing me down caused her to beat her personal best on that course by 10 minutes. Hey, I?m good for something.


Great story! Way to go!
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hit4me

Florida, USA

epdavis7 wrote:
Good but tough race today. Between the cold, rain and crazy hills in Williamsburg, it was challenging. Funny story. At mile 12 a young lady (probably 30) said she had been chasing me since mile one and she wasn?t going to let some old man beat her. Old man? The last part of the race was uphill and she was pulling away from me. Them was fighting words lol. I had to dig down deep and even though my legs were seizing up and it felt like my heart was coming out of my chest, I got a two second lead. I talked to her after the race and she said chasing me down caused her to beat her personal best on that course by 10 minutes. Hey, I?m good for something.


thats one way to get a young lady to chase you, lol
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Mega-duty

Jerry Brainum talks about aerobic activity.

https://www.youtube.com/...h?v=gWDj167Wn6w
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HeavyHitter32

Mega-duty wrote:
Jerry Brainum talks about aerobic activity.

https://www.youtube.com/...167Wn6w


Good video - undeniable as to what he's saying.
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1958

Texas, USA

My "aerobic component " early this morning:

Weighted chin up X 9
Nautilus Hip&Back X 13
( 60 seconds rest)
Hammer Leg Press X 31
(75 seconds rest)
Weighted chin up X 5
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ATP 4 Vitality

Mega-duty wrote:
Jerry Brainum talks about aerobic activity.



And this guy admits he does not like aerobics.

R. I. P.

SuperSlow, BBS, ARX, Max Contraction, Static Contractions. If you don't do endurance training, you ain't training for health.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

1958 wrote:
My "aerobic component " early this morning:

Weighted chin up X 9
Nautilus Hip&Back X 13
( 60 seconds rest)
Hammer Leg Press X 31
(75 seconds rest)
Weighted chin up X 5


== Scott==
Why The 2 seperate sets of chins?
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DuzHIT

ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
Mega-duty wrote:
Jerry Brainum talks about aerobic activity.



And this guy admits he does not like aerobics.

R. I. P.

SuperSlow, BBS, ARX, Max Contraction, Static Contractions. If you don't do endurance training, you ain't training for health.


You can eat foods rich in Vitamin E and C, and take a RNA/DNA supplement and have longer telomeres. Or you can do 40 minutes 3 times per week of wear and tear on your body with running (not jogging) or HIIT and have longer telomeres.

Hmmm. Since I'm eating anyway, I'll take the food and HIT workouts. That way, I'll have the longer telomeres and the cardiovascular endurance I need, without the wear and tear.
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hit4me

Florida, USA

ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
Mega-duty wrote:
Jerry Brainum talks about aerobic activity.



And this guy admits he does not like aerobics.

R. I. P.

SuperSlow, BBS, ARX, Max Contraction, Static Contractions. If you don't do endurance training, you ain't training for health.


I am curious to how much cardio and what kind of cardio do you perform?
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ATP 4 Vitality

DuzHIT wrote:
ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
Mega-duty wrote:
Jerry Brainum talks about aerobic activity.



And this guy admits he does not like aerobics.

R. I. P.

SuperSlow, BBS, ARX, Max Contraction, Static Contractions. If you don't do endurance training, you ain't training for health.

You can eat foods rich in Vitamin E and C, and take a RNA/DNA supplement and have longer telomeres. Or you can do 40 minutes 3 times per week of wear and tear on your body with running (not jogging) or HIIT and have longer telomeres.

Hmmm. Since I'm eating anyway, I'll take the food and HIT workouts. That way, I'll have the longer telomeres and the cardiovascular endurance I need, without the wear and tear.


Hope that works for you
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