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ATP 4 Vitality

-Vince Gironda was so anti-cardio, that he would literally remove you from his gym if he even heard the word -running- mentioned. No joke!-
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Resultsbased wrote:
Serious Question:

How is weight training a poor CV conditioning agent?

I can see certain methods being poor, but that seems like a broad statement.

Have you ever squatted a substantial weight for 30 or more repetitions?

Do you recall the old style Nautilus circuit that caused people to fail BECAUSE of the CV conditioning or lack thereof?

BTW - I am not anti cardio, I just don't see how certain types of weight training aren't effective at developing the CV system.


Reread - please!

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ATP 4 Vitality

epdavis7 wrote:
Resultsbased wrote:
Serious Question:

How is weight training a poor CV conditioning agent?

I can see certain methods being poor, but that seems like a broad statement.

Have you ever squatted a substantial weight for 30 or more repetitions?

Do you recall the old style Nautilus circuit that caused people to fail BECAUSE of the CV conditioning or lack thereof?

BTW - I am not anti cardio, I just don't see how certain types of weight training aren't effective at developing the CV system.

Agreed. In a different way a Big 5 done to failure is harder to ME than running a half marathon. I am smoked and need carpet time. I?m tired and breathing heavy at the end of a race, but I?m walking around drinking water. I?m not laid out.


Please reread.

btw - all things could be considered a skill.

I ran at a very early age. Skill? Skill training and running only matters if you compete. Quit spouting HIT dogma.
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1958

Texas, USA

Today's aerobics:

Trap bar deadlift-lower handles X 11
Rested 2 minutes
Trap bar deadlift-upper handles X 17
Rested 2.5 minutes
Nautilus leverage leg press X 16
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hit4me

Florida, USA

ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
-Vince Gironda was so anti-cardio, that he would literally remove you from his gym if he even heard the word -running- mentioned. No joke!-


I am sure that is true, but there pics on the net with him riding a bike
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hit4me

Florida, USA

ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
epdavis7 wrote:
Resultsbased wrote:
Serious Question:

How is weight training a poor CV conditioning agent?

I can see certain methods being poor, but that seems like a broad statement.

Have you ever squatted a substantial weight for 30 or more repetitions?

Do you recall the old style Nautilus circuit that caused people to fail BECAUSE of the CV conditioning or lack thereof?

BTW - I am not anti cardio, I just don't see how certain types of weight training aren't effective at developing the CV system.

Agreed. In a different way a Big 5 done to failure is harder to ME than running a half marathon. I am smoked and need carpet time. I?m tired and breathing heavy at the end of a race, but I?m walking around drinking water. I?m not laid out.

Please reread.

btw - all things could be considered a skill.

I ran at a very early age. Skill? Skill training and running only matters if you compete. Quit spouting HIT dogma.


Quit spouting cardio dogma.....this is an hit site where the topic of hit in various forms, whether it be legit or dogma, is encouraged
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hit4me

Florida, USA

ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
-Vince Gironda was so anti-cardio, that he would literally remove you from his gym if he even heard the word -running- mentioned. No joke!-


http://ironguru.com/...427701729_n.jpg
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epdavis7

I just got John Littles new book on Kindle (Time Savers workout) While I don't agree 100% on everything, so far its very good and well researched. I like his writing style. A few new ideas. I like his thoughts on CEP (Conservation of Energy Phenomenon) and how the body adapts to doing things more efficiently which requires a change in the stimulus periodically. Marc, I'm not sure if you are serious or just a troll. The way you come across is cartoonish and almost a parody.
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Chris H

Hi Marc

arterial stiffening & lifting
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epdavis7

1958 wrote:
Today's aerobics:

Trap bar deadlift-lower handles X 11
Rested 2 minutes
Trap bar deadlift-upper handles X 17
Rested 2.5 minutes
Nautilus leverage leg press X 16


I bet that was a gasser. I remember doing 20 rep squats to failure and as soon as I could get myself off the floor, going over and doing 15 rep stiff legged deadlifts off a block to failure. I had to do this after the upperbody stuff, because if I did it first I would not have been able to do anything else. Randall Strossens Super Squats book and ideas from Dr Ken were my initial introduction to HIT. I tried Super Squats 3 times a week initially, but had to go to 2 times and eventually one time a week with fewer exercises. Salute!
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ATP 4 Vitality

Chris H wrote:
Hi Marc

arterial stiffening & lifting


I have not forgotten your original?
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ATP 4 Vitality

epdavis7 wrote:


Marc, I'm not sure if you are serious or just a troll. The way you come across is cartoonish and almost a parody.


Use your freedom!

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ATP 4 Vitality

hit4me wrote:
ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
-Vince Gironda was so anti-cardio, that he would literally remove you from his gym if he even heard the word -running- mentioned. No joke!-

I am sure that is true, but there pics on the net with him riding a bike


When were you ever interested in what is - true?
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hit4me wrote:
ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
-Vince Gironda was so anti-cardio, that he would literally remove you from his gym if he even heard the word -running- mentioned. No joke!-

http://ironguru.com/...9_n.jpg


Looks like a lot of HITers - practice what you do not preach! The good Dr. comes to mind - BMX
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ATP 4 Vitality

hit4me wrote:
ATP 4 Vitality wrote:

Quit spouting cardio dogma.....this is an hit site where the topic of hit in various forms, whether it be legit or dogma, is encouraged


Are you the self appointed site custodian?
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epdavis7

ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
epdavis7 wrote:


Marc, I'm not sure if you are serious or just a troll. The way you come across is cartoonish and almost a parody.

Use your freedom!



The mightiest of sharks is helpless in the desert!

Even the brightest day ends in darkness!

The oldest man who ever lived, died!

Lol...that's how it sounds.

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hit4me

Florida, USA

ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
hit4me wrote:
ATP 4 Vitality wrote:

Quit spouting cardio dogma.....this is an hit site where the topic of hit in various forms, whether it be legit or dogma, is encouraged


Are you the self appointed site custodian?


I can ask the same about you?
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hit4me

Florida, USA

ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
hit4me wrote:
ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
-Vince Gironda was so anti-cardio, that he would literally remove you from his gym if he even heard the word -running- mentioned. No joke!-

http://ironguru.com/...427701729_n.jpg

Looks like a lot of HITers - practice what you do not preach! The good Dr. comes to mind - BMX


Gironda was not an HITer
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Resultsbased

ATP 4 Vitality,

I reread your post per your orders...

Still no answer to my question as to how you can claim all weight training is a poor CV conditioning agent.

So, who are we to believe?

I remember well the highly conditioned athletes who couldn't make it through a nautilus circuit or a set of 20 rep squats.

Specificity is at play, but so is CV conditioning.

I look forward to further iconoclastic responses.
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ptcrusader

"...lifting weights is the most important thing you can do in the gym for your health," says Brad Schoenfeld, assistant professor at Lehman College. "If you can only do one thing, lifting is a must... but, performing cardio can give you additional benefits above lifting. Strength and cardiovascular workouts can work synergistically."

During cardiovascular workouts your heart and lungs have to work faster and harder than they do during strength sessions, meaning they become more efficient than they would during a given strength workout, Schoenfeld says.

The American Journal of Cardiology pinpointed aerobic exercise as the most efficient form of exercise for improving cardiometabolic health.

Performing both types of workouts comes with better results than performing strength training alone.
"Ideally, you should get some cardio exercise every day," Somerset says.

A 2014 Iowa State University study even found that 10 minutes of running per day, and at slow speeds, results in a markedly reduced risk of death from all causes as well as heart disease. The American Heart Association recommends performing 150 minutes of cardio per week in 10- to 60-minute sessions.

Now perhaps someone can explain anatomically why cardio seems to be important.

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epdavis7

ptcrusader wrote:
"...lifting weights is the most important thing you can do in the gym for your health," says Brad Schoenfeld, assistant professor at Lehman College. "If you can only do one thing, lifting is a must... but, performing cardio can give you additional benefits above lifting. Strength and cardiovascular workouts can work synergistically."

During cardiovascular workouts your heart and lungs have to work faster and harder than they do during strength sessions, meaning they become more efficient than they would during a given strength workout, Schoenfeld says.

The American Journal of Cardiology pinpointed aerobic exercise as the most efficient form of exercise for improving cardiometabolic health.

Performing both types of workouts comes with better results than performing strength training alone.
"Ideally, you should get some cardio exercise every day," Somerset says.

A 2014 Iowa State University study even found that 10 minutes of running per day, and at slow speeds, results in a markedly reduced risk of death from all causes as well as heart disease. The American Heart Association recommends performing 150 minutes of cardio per week in 10- to 60-minute sessions.

Now perhaps someone can explain anatomically why cardio seems to be important.



Interesting. A couple thoughts. What qualifies as cardio? What kind of strength training are they talking about? Where did their recommended times come from?
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ATP 4 Vitality

ptcrusader wrote:

Now perhaps someone can explain anatomically why cardio seems to be important.



Ok

1) exercise is a stimulus

A) resistance training stimulates muscles to grow larger and stronger

B) cardiovascular conditioning causes the heart and blood vessels to flow more blood to the lungs and body tissues, resulting in blood vessels being more pliable and also increases blood return to the heart. This stimulates eccentric hypertrophy of the left ventricle of the heart.. and... increases cardiac output.

2) Cardiovascular conditioning requires the major muscles used simultaneously in a rhythmic fashion by way of a rapid relaxation/contraction of these major muscles.

3) prolonged contraction of muscle tissue impedes blood flow resulting in a decrease of blood flow returning to the heart. This also increases blood pressure greatly, and causes the blood vessels to stiffen.

4) decreased return blood flow to the heart allows incomplete filling of the left ventricle, thus impeding cardiac output.

5) Resistance training requires increased pulse pressure to infuse oxygen perfusion of distal tissues. This increases diameter of central blood vessels and the resultant decreased pliability. This also result in increased left ventricular hypertrophy without the accompanying increase in diameter that cardiovascular conditioning training causes.

Folks,

It has to do with blood flow. Cardio is good at this, resistance training is not.

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Resultsbased

Hey al-haytham,

Perhaps you can do the math on this...

If weight training is so bad for the heart, then why does the American Heart Association recommend it be performed at least twice/weekly?

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ATP 4 Vitality

To show the level of inaccuracy Little is capable of, on page 6 of his new book THE TIME SAVERS WORKOUT, he mentions professor Jamie Simmons work of how a few minutes of exercise ( 3 minutes of cycling) can bestow all the benefits exercise can give. He then incredibly implies resistance training can do the same. Professor Simmons uses cycling, a totally different means of exercise. This is dishonest reporting.
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ron33

ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
To show the level of inaccuracy Little is capable of, on page 6 of his new book THE TIME SAVERS WORKOUT, he mentions professor Jamie Simmons work of how a few minutes of exercise ( 3 minutes of cycling) can bestow all the benefits exercise can give. He then incredibly implies resistance training can do the same. Professor Simmons uses cycling, a totally different means of exercise. This is dishonest reporting.


It s pretty simple , Cardio On , Dude .
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